Solving for the Molar Ratio of 2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0

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The discussion revolves around calculating the molar ratio and converting moles of barium phosphate to grams of sodium phosphate dodecahydrate in a chemical reaction. Participants are attempting to clarify stoichiometric relationships and conversion methods in a homework context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether to use 2 or 24 in the mole-to-mole ratio for sodium phosphate dodecahydrate in their calculations.
  • Another participant suggests a straightforward stoichiometric approach, emphasizing the need to arrange the conversion expression correctly and include units.
  • Several participants share their experimental results, noting the amounts of sodium phosphate and barium chloride they obtained.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the correctness of the calculated mass of sodium phosphate, with one participant suggesting a formula weight error in the setup.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to focus on the correct formula weight for sodium phosphate rather than barium chloride.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the conversion expression, correcting the focus to sodium phosphate in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct mole-to-mole ratio to use and whether their calculated mass of sodium phosphate is accurate. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the mole ratio or the final mass calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of understanding the numbers in the reaction statements and the need for accurate formula weights, indicating potential limitations in their calculations. Some assumptions about the stoichiometry and conversions remain unresolved.

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Students working on stoichiometry and chemical conversions, particularly in the context of laboratory experiments involving multiple reactants and products.

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Homework Statement


Ok so I should know how to do this but I want to make sure.
The balanced equation involved is:
2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0+3BaCl_{2}*2H_{2}0\longrightarrow Ba_{3}(PO_{4})_{2}+6NaCl+30H_{2}0
In the lab I obtained 6.6e-4 moles of Ba_{3}(PO_{4})_{2}
and 2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0 is limiting we found out.
I just need to convert moles of Ba_{3}(PO_{4})_{2} to grams
2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0. I know how to convert from moles grams etc. but i can't decide when i do the mole to mole ratio. do I use 2*12=8moles for the 2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0 or just 2?
Thanks

Homework Equations


2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0+3BaCl_{2}*2H_{2}0\longrightarrow Ba_{3}(PO_{4})_{2}+6NaCl+30H_{2}0


The Attempt at a Solution



I know how to convert from moles grams etc. but i can't decide when i do the mole to mole ratio. do I use 2*12=8moles for the 2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0 or just 2?
Thanks
 
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1 mole of barium phosphate required 2 moles of sodium phosphate:12 hydrate. Straightforward stoichiometry. Arrange your whole conversion expression and include the units for each number. Start with the 1 mole of barium phosphate!

(1 mole ba.phos)*[(2 mole sod.phos.hydrate)/(1 mole ba.phos)]*(U grams/mole of sod.phos.hydrate)

You will need to write that all conventionally with pencil on paper; I used the symbol "U" for the number of grams per mole for sodium phosphate 12 hydrate, but you need to find it in a table or calculate it yourself.
 
Yah know how to set it up, it just like i said before do I multiply with 24 or 2. Anyways I got 0.50g of 2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0
and
0.48g of BaCl_{2}*2H_{2}0
 
Winzer said:
Yah know how to set it up, it just like i said before do I multiply with 24 or 2. Anyways I got 0.50g of 2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0
and
0.48g of BaCl_{2}*2H_{2}0
You need to know what the numbers in the reaction statements mean. If you set up the calculation correctly, such as I have shown, then you will obtain the correct result. The two things applied in my setu-up expression which were not done were full-correct names for the compound (I used my own abbreviations) and the "U" in place of the actual formula weight.
 
yah so:
(6.6e^-4 moles Ba_{3}(PO_{4})_{2}) *\frac{2BaCl_{2}*12H_{2}O}{1 mole Ba_{3}(PO_{4})_{2}}*\frac{380.12 2BaCl_{2}*12H_{2}O}{1 mole BaCl_{2}*12H_{2}O}

I get 0.50 right?
 
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right!?
 
Winzer said:
yah so:
(6.6e^-4 moles Ba_{3}(PO_{4})_{2}) *\frac{2BaCl_{2}*12H_{2}O}{1 mole Ba_{3}(PO_{4})_{2}}*\frac{380.12 2BaCl_{2}*12H_{2}O}{1 mole BaCl_{2}*12H_{2}O}

I get 0.50 right?
The only problem I see in the arranged expression is the formula weight is labeled as barium chloride - but you are not interested in that. You are interested in the sodium phosphate 12*hydrate. The the formula weight is the correct one for the phosphate.
 
Fix it to
(6.6e^-4 moles Ba_{3}(PO_{4})_{2}) *\frac{2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0}{1 mole Ba_{3}(PO_{4})_{2}}*\frac{380.12 2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0}{2Na_{3}PO_{4}*12H_{2}0}
 
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So is 0.50g right!?
 
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:cry::cry::cry:
 
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YES. Probably closer to about 0.502 g. I hope this helps.
Why were you unsure?
 

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