Solving for x in |x+3|+|x-1|=5

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The problem involves solving the equation |x+3| + |x-1| = 5, which relates to the concept of absolute values as distances on a number line. Participants are exploring how to find the value of x that satisfies this equation by interpreting the absolute values as distances from specific points.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to approach the problem, including testing specific values for |x+3| and |x-1|. Some suggest dividing the number line into intervals based on critical points (-3 and 1) to analyze the equation in those segments. Questions arise about the efficiency and effectiveness of these methods.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some have proposed dividing the number line into intervals and analyzing the resulting equations, while others are exploring graphical interpretations. There is no consensus yet on a definitive method or solution.

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Participants note that the problem may not have solutions in certain intervals, prompting discussions about what those results imply. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the absolute value functions and the need for careful consideration of different cases.

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Homework Statement



|x+3|+|x-1| = 5

Homework Equations



absolute value = distance from origin
distance between 2 points on a line = |x1-x2|

so |x+3| can be viewed as the distance from x to -3
and |x-1| can be viewed as the distance from x to 1

so we are trying to find a point x which has a distance from -3 and a distance from 1 that combine to equal 5...

The Attempt at a Solution



The options that add up to equal 5 are (0+5), (5+0), (2+3), (3+2), (1+4), (4+1)

if |x+3| = 0, then x=-3... that gives 4 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 5, then x=2 or -8... that gives 6 and 14 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 3, then x=0 or -6... that gives 4 and 10 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 2, then x=-1 or -5... that gives 4 and 8 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 1, then x=-2 or -4... that gives 4 and 6 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 4, then x=1 or -7... that gives 4 and 12 instead of 5^ not only is that a really inefficient way to try to solve it. but I also couldn't get the answer! :(

can someone please tell me a way to solve these problems?
edit: I just realized I neglected all the options where x is not an integer...
 
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nickadams said:

Homework Statement



|x+3|+|x-1| = 5


Homework Equations



absolute value = distance from origin
distance between 2 points on a line = |x1-x2|

so |x+3| can be viewed as the distance from x to -3
and |x-1| can be viewed as the distance from x to 1

so we are trying to find a point x which has a distance from -3 and a distance from 1 that combine to equal 5...

The Attempt at a Solution



The options that add up to equal 5 are (0+5), (5+0), (2+3), (3+2), (1+4), (4+1)

if |x+3| = 0, then x=-3... that gives 4 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 5, then x=2 or -8... that gives 6 and 14 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 3, then x=0 or -6... that gives 4 and 10 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 2, then x=-1 or -5... that gives 4 and 8 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 1, then x=-2 or -4... that gives 4 and 6 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 4, then x=1 or -7... that gives 4 and 12 instead of 5


^ not only is that a really inefficient way to try to solve it. but I also couldn't get the answer! :(

can someone please tell me a way to solve these problems?
So the approach is not only ineffecient, but ineffective as well.

Divide the number line into three intervals: (-∞, -3), (-3, 1), and (1, ∞)

If x is in (-∞, -3), the equation can be written as -(x + 3) + -(x - 1) = 5. Can you solve this?

Now look at the resulting equation in each of the other two intervals.

The basic idea I am using is that |x - a| = -(x -a) if x < a, and |x - a| = x - a if x > a.
 
nickadams said:

Homework Statement



|x+3|+|x-1| = 5


Homework Equations



absolute value = distance from origin
distance between 2 points on a line = |x1-x2|

so |x+3| can be viewed as the distance from x to -3
and |x-1| can be viewed as the distance from x to 1

so we are trying to find a point x which has a distance from -3 and a distance from 1 that combine to equal 5...

The Attempt at a Solution



The options that add up to equal 5 are (0+5), (5+0), (2+3), (3+2), (1+4), (4+1)

if |x+3| = 0, then x=-3... that gives 4 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 5, then x=2 or -8... that gives 6 and 14 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 3, then x=0 or -6... that gives 4 and 10 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 2, then x=-1 or -5... that gives 4 and 8 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 1, then x=-2 or -4... that gives 4 and 6 instead of 5
if |x+3| = 4, then x=1 or -7... that gives 4 and 12 instead of 5


^ not only is that a really inefficient way to try to solve it. but I also couldn't get the answer! :(

can someone please tell me a way to solve these problems?
"not only is that a really inefficient way to try to solve it... " True !

An instructive way to solve it (in my opinion) is to graph y = |x+3|+|x-1| .

Alternatively,
consider the piecewise definition of the absolute value.

Consider separately the graphs: y = |x+3|, and y = |x-1| .​
 
Mark44 said:
So the approach is not only ineffecient, but ineffective as well.

Divide the number line into three intervals: (-∞, -3), (-3, 1), and (1, ∞)

If x is in (-∞, -3), the equation can be written as -(x + 3) + -(x - 1) = 5. Can you solve this?

Now look at the resulting equation in each of the other two intervals.

The basic idea I am using is that |x - a| = -(x -a) if x < a, and |x - a| = x - a if x > a.

Ok great!

so if x <= -3 ... -3-x+1-x = 5 ; (ans: x=-7/2)

if 1 >= x >= -3 ... x+3+1-x = 5 (0=1 :frown: ) I realize that this indicates there is no solution for x in this interval but is there anything else to be learned from the result or should I just accept it as indicating no answer in the interval?

if x > 1 ... x+3+x-1 = 5 ; (ans: x=3/2)
 
nickadams said:
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if 1 >= x >= -3 ... x+3+1-x = 5 (0=1 :frown: ) I realize that this indicates there is no solution for x in this interval but is there anything else to be learned from the result or should I just accept it as indicating no answer in the interval?
...

Notice that everywhere on this interval, x+3+1-x = 4. So, it can's be 5.
 

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