Solving Functions without a Calculator: A Comparison of A and B on [0;1/10]

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The discussion revolves around comparing two expressions, A and B, without the use of a calculator. The expressions are derived from functions evaluated over the interval [0;1/10]. The original poster attempts to analyze the functions f(x) and g(x) to determine which of A or B is greater.

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  • Participants discuss various methods for comparing the two expressions, including substituting values into the functions and analyzing the difference between them. Some suggest dividing the functions instead of subtracting them to simplify the comparison.

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There is ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem, with some participants questioning the correctness of the original poster's calculations. Suggestions for alternative methods have been provided, indicating a productive discussion without a clear consensus on the final outcome.

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Participants are constrained by the requirement to solve the problem without a calculator, which influences their methods and reasoning. There are also discussions about the significance of higher-order terms in the functions when x is small.

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hi everyone,
i have to solve the problem below:
1) which is the bigger number, (without using a calculator)
B= (0.9999995)^2 / 0.9999998 & A=1.0000004/(1.0000006)^2
Then, compare those two functions on the intervall of [0;1/10] (without using a calculator)
f(x)=(1-5x)² / 1-2x & g(x)=1+4x / (1+6x)²
so, first of all, i noticed that if u put 10^-7 on f(x) you'll have the number A, and if you put 10^-7 on g(x) you'll get the number B
therefore we'll have to compare the two functions to see which is bigger, A or B. But i dun know how i am going to compare them (do not use a calculator!)
i tought about subsituing f(x) from g(x), here is what i got:
f(x)-g(x) <=> 51x²+60x^3+900x^4 / 1+10x+12x²+72x^3
so i have to see if this is bigger/smaller than 0.
ummm, i am not sure, but we have 0<x<1/10
so 0<51x²<51/100 & 0<60x^3<3/50 & 0<900x^4<9/100
therefore 0<51x²+60x^3+900x^4<63/100
and for the denominator we have
0<10x<1 & 0<12x²<3/25 & 0<72x^3<9
therefore 0<1+10x+12x²+72x^3<278/25
and finally, a positive number over a positive number is a positive number
so f(x)>g(x) <=> A>B (because f(x) and g(x) are increasin over [0;1/10] << I think :s )
so, is all this right ?! :rolleyes:
thanks for ur help :)
 
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Well, as for the first thing (the one with "dont use a calculator"), imho you should be able to do that with your head only.
 
Okay, but they asked us to compare the two functions as to use them to see if A>B or A<B.
But anyhow, I am wondering if my calculations and the method I used is right !?
Thanks,
 
It's probably easier to think about one function divided by the other, instead of subtracted. Then, when deciding which one is bigger, you see if this quotient is greater than or less than one at 10^-7. The easiest way to do that is to ignore all the x^2 and higher terms, since they will look like 10^-14, etc, and so will be insignificant compared to the terms with only the first power of x. For example, if you ended up with (1+2x+4x^2)/(1+x+56x^2), this would be approximately (1+2x)/(1+x) for very small x, and so greater than one.
 
For A vs. B I would have let [itex]1-\epsilon = 0.9999995[/itex] and [itex]1+\delta = 1.0000004[/itex], etc. then try to simplify. (Here [itex]\epsilon \approx \delta[/itex] but one can also define [itex]\epsilon = \delta 5/4[/itex].)
 
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"f(x)-g(x) <=> 51x²+60x^3+900x^4 / 1+10x+12x²+72x^3"

IF that were right then the answer would be obvious: all the numbers are positive!

HOWEVER, it's not right. For one thing there is a constant term, 1, in the numerator, and clearly the leading coefficient in the denominator is -72, not + 72.

If you do what StatusX suggested, divide one function by the other, and think about what happens if x is very small- assuming one of the functions is larger than the other for all x in 0 to 1/10- it should be straightforward.
 
Okay !
I solved it and I appreciate your help! :)
 

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