Solving Odd Dynamics Problem with 2 lb/ft Spring & 10 lb Bob

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The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem involving a spring with a spring constant of 2 lb/ft and a bob weighing 10 lb, which is moving with a tangential velocity of 6 ft/s. The goal is to find the angle theta related to the system's configuration.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate centripetal acceleration and questions the derivation of the spring force formula. Participants discuss the unstretched length of the spring and its implications for the problem setup.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying assumptions about the spring's unstretched length and questioning the derivation of certain expressions. There is a productive exchange of ideas, but no consensus has been reached on the overall solution.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the solution manual and the specific terms used in the problem, such as the addition of 0.5 in the radius expression. The use of the imperial system is also noted as a potential source of misunderstanding.

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The spring has a 2 lb/ft, and the bob has a tangental velocity of 6 ft/s, and a weight of 10 lb.
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I need to find the angle theta.

I decided to try getting the centripetal acceleration first:
[tex]a_{c}=\frac{v^{2}}{r}=\frac{36}{r}[/tex]

which led me nowhere. I tried a mess of things.

The best I could come up with was a triangle with three unknowns, the hypotenuse of which was the spring.

The solution manual is quite confusing.
Let l be the length of the spring
It sets up the force of the spring as this:
[tex]F_{spring}=ks=20(l-2) lb[/tex]
I don't get where they got l-2 from.

Then it goes on to this:
[tex]a_{c}=\frac{v^{2}}{r}=\frac{36}{0.5+lsin(\theta)}[/tex]

The rest of it is simple enough to understand, it's just messing with the net forces. The setup of this is what I don't get. How did they arrive at that formula for the spring force, and then stick it into r like that?
 
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Hi Lancelot59! :smile:
Lancelot59 said:
I don't get where they got l-2 from.

2 feet must be the unstretched length of the spring (so l - 2 is the extension) :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Lancelot59! :smile:


2 feet must be the unstretched length of the spring (so l - 2 is the extension) :wink:

I see. So that's the spring's displacement.

How did they derive that expression for r then? I understand where the lsin(theta) term comes from, but why are they adding 0.5? Would it not be 6?
 
Lancelot59 said:
why are they adding 0.5? Would it not be 6?

erm :redface:

feet! :biggrin:
 
tiny-tim said:
erm :redface:

feet! :biggrin:

Oh! I see. I don't usually work with the imperial system. Thanks!
 

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