Solving Sudoku: A Logical Approach

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The discussed Sudoku puzzle does not have a unique solution, with at least 500 possible solutions, making it impossible to solve purely through logic. Participants explored how to determine the number of solutions using a specific online tool. The conversation also highlighted that the puzzle contains 16 clues, with one clue deemed redundant, which affects its solvability. A reference was made to a study indicating that no solvable Sudoku exists with fewer than 17 clues, although having 17 does not guarantee uniqueness. The discussion concluded with clarification on the nature of clues and their relevance to solving the puzzle.
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How to solve the attached Sudoku without computer or a guess?
 

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This sudoku does not have a unique solution, in-fact it has at-least 500 solutions, therefore it is not possible to solve it purely based on logic. (By this I mean you will have to make a choice.)
How do I know it has at-least 500 solutions ? Click the solution-count button http://www.sudokuwiki.org/sudoku.htm. [I've done you the courtesy of typing out the sudoku.]
 
certainly said:
This sudoku does not have a unique solution, in-fact it has at-least 500 solutions, therefore it is not possible to solve it purely based on logic. (By this I mean you will have to make a choice.)
How do I know it has at-least 500 solutions ? Click the solution-count button http://www.sudokuwiki.org/sudoku.htm. [I've done you the courtesy of typing out the sudoku.]
I clicked the link and I filled up the entries then it gave me all numbers (1 to 9) in all blank cells!. So how many solutions?
 
Adel Makram said:
I clicked the link and I filled up the entries then it gave me all numbers (1 to 9) in all blank cells!. So how many solutions?
But I'd already filled the necessary squares for you ?
Click the yellow "solution-count" button at the top right.
 
yes I got it thanks. So what is the lowest number of clues that give a unique solution?
 
certainly said:
This sudoku does not have a unique solution, in-fact it has at-least 500 solutions, therefore it is not possible to solve it purely based on logic. (By this I mean you will have to make a choice.)
How do I know it has at-least 500 solutions ? Click the solution-count button http://www.sudokuwiki.org/sudoku.htm. [I've done you the courtesy of typing out the sudoku.]
If it has "at least 500 solutions" then it does not have a unique solution!

Oops! I misread your response- you did say it does NOT have a unique solution.
 
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According to http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.0749, no solvable sudoko exists with less than 17 clues. Your sudoku is actually a 16 clue sudoku, because the 5 in the top right corner is redundant.
 
willem2 said:
According to http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.0749, no solvable sudoko exists with less than 17 clues. Your sudoku is actually a 16 clue sudoku, because the 5 in the top right corner is redundant.
What do you mean by redundant?
 
He means you already know it is 5, it's not a useful information.
 
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Note that 17 clues does not guarantee a unique solution, but you need at-least 17, as the paper quoted by willem2 shows.
willem2 said:
According to http://arxiv.org/abs/1201.0749, no solvable sudoko exists with less than 17 clues. Your sudoku is actually a 16 clue sudoku, because the 5 in the top right corner is redundant.
It's actually only a 12 clue sudoku. You should be able to enter the remaining entries from this.
 
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certainly said:
Note that 17 clues does not guarantee a unique solution, but you need at-least 17, as the paper quoted by willem2 shows.

It's actually only a 12 clue sudoku. You should be able to enter the remaining entries from this.
Still, I don't understand why do you want to consider all entries on the right upper square redundant? Just because they are on 2 perpendicular lines?
 
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Adel Makram said:
Still, I don't understand why do you want to consider all entries on the right upper square redundant? Just because they are on 2 perpendicular lines?
No. They aren't clues because you can solve the empty entries in the link from the given ones.
 

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