Solving the Radius of a Collapsing Star in Schwarzschild Geometry

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical modeling of the radius of a collapsing star within the framework of Schwarzschild geometry. The original poster attempts to demonstrate that the radius approaches zero over a specified time interval, using an integral approach to analyze the relationship between the radius and time.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of trigonometric substitution to evaluate an integral related to the radius of the star. There is a focus on the limits of integration and the implications of sign choices in the context of physical interpretation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the choice of substitution and the importance of sign conventions when interpreting the results. The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the correctness of integral limits and the implications of negative time in the context of physical phenomena.

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There is a mention of specific parameters, such as \( R_{\text{max}} \) and \( \epsilon \), which may influence the calculations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the integral limits and the physical interpretation of the results, indicating potential constraints in the problem setup.

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I have that [itex]\left( \frac{dR}{d \tau} \right)^2 = ( 1 - \epsilon)^2 ( \frac{R_{\text{max}}}{R}-1)[/itex] describes the radius of the surface of a collapsing star in Schwarzschild geometry. I need to show it falls to R=0 in time [itex]\tau = \frac{\pi M}{(1-\epsilon)^{3/2}}[/itex]

So far I have rearranged to get
[itex]\int_{R_{\text{max}}}^0 \sqrt{\frac{R}{R_{\text{max}}-R}} dR = \int_0^\tau (1-\epsilon^2)^{1/2} = (1-\epsilon^2)^{1/2} \tau[/itex]

How do I do that R integral though?

Thanks.
 
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hi latentcorpse! :smile:

that π in the answer suggests you should go for a trig substitution :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi latentcorpse! :smile:

that π in the answer suggests you should go for a trig substitution :wink:

I forgot to mention that [itex]R_{\text{max}}=\frac{2M}{1-\epsilon^2}[/itex]

Making the substitution [itex]R=R_{max} \sin^2{\theta}[/itex]

I get [itex]\int_{\pi/2}^0 2 R_{max} \sin^2{\theta} d \theta = - R_{max} \frac{\pi}{2} = - \frac{M \pi}{(1-\epsilon^2)}[/itex]

equating to [itex](1-\epsilon^2)^{1/2}\tau[/itex]

we get [itex]\tau=-\frac{\pi M}{(1-\epsilon)^{3/2}}[/itex]

i.e. an extra minus sign. and it can't take a negative amount of time for a star surface to collapse to r=0, i have messed up a sign. i think the limits on my integrals are sound but could you check please?

thanks.
 
You have to choose the sign when taking the square root to agree with [tex]dR/d\tau<0[/tex].
 

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