Some Specific Questions Regarding Nuclides

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The discussion revolves around the mass distribution plot related to nuclear fission, specifically addressing the binding energy of nucleons, the relationship between atomic number and mass, and the nature of fission fragments. Participants explore theoretical aspects, implications of binding energy, and the behavior of nucleons in nuclei of varying atomic numbers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the absence of horizontal lines on the mass distribution plot, suggesting that for each fission fragment, there should be a corresponding point on the opposite side.
  • Another participant notes that fission can involve a variable number of neutrons and that fission into three components, while rare, is possible.
  • There is a discussion about the increase in binding energy per nucleon during fission and whether this energy results from neutron bombardment or a decrease in mass.
  • Some participants assert that nuclei with higher atomic numbers generally have larger masses due to the presence of more nucleons, while noting that fission does not change the total number of nucleons.
  • A participant raises a question about the mass difference between free nucleons and nucleons within a nucleus, seeking to understand how this difference behaves as atomic number increases.
  • One participant explains that binding energy is the difference between the sum of the masses of individual nucleons and the mass of the nucleus, indicating that this difference is maximized for iron.
  • A link to external resources is provided for further exploration of nuclear binding energy and related plots.
  • Another participant cautions that the binding energy curve referenced is specific to common, beta-stable isotopes and may not apply to fission fragments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of binding energy and the behavior of nucleons in fission, with no consensus reached on the relationship between mass and atomic number or the nature of energy release during fission.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific mechanisms of energy release in fission and the behavior of binding energy in relation to fission fragments versus stable isotopes.

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Attached is a screenshot of a page from my book (Sears & Zemansky's University Physics 14E).
I have some questions about the contents of this page.
My first question is about the mass distribution plot (43.11). Since fission involves two fragments, you would think that for each point there may be a corresponding point on the other side that is connected by a horizontal line. This is further reinforced by the fact that in the middle of the plot they say “Fission into two fragments with equal mass is unlikely”. However I’m not 100 percent sure about this, since there are no horizontal lines on the plot that emphasize the correspondence.

Second, since in fission we are going from a single nucleus with high A to 2 nuclei of lower A, the total binding energy per nucleon usually increases. I guess this energy comes from neutron bombardment? Or does it come from a decrease in mass? They don’t say.

Finally, a more general question. Is mass gained or lost with higher atomic number. Or is there no simple relationship between the mass difference and the nucleon number?
 

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rtareen said:
Since fission involves two fragments, you would think that for each point there may be a corresponding point on the other side that is connected by a horizontal line.
Approximately, yes. You also lose a variable number of neutrons, and fission to three components is rare but possible.
Second, since in fission we are going from a single nucleus with high A to 2 nuclei of lower A, the total binding energy per nucleon usually increases. I guess this energy comes from neutron bombardment? Or does it come from a decrease in mass? They don’t say.
Binding energy has a confusing sign. A higher binding energy means the nucleus is bound tighter, i.e. has a lower energy. Increasing the binding energy releases energy.
Finally, a more general question. Is mass gained or lost with higher atomic number. Or is there no simple relationship between the mass difference and the nucleon number?
Nuclei with higher atomic number always have a larger mass, simply from having more nucleons. Fission doesn't change the total number of nucleons, so its energy balance depends on the binding energy which is small (~1%) relative to the total mass.
 
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Nuclei with higher atomic number always have a larger mass, simply from having more nucleons. Fission doesn't change the total number of nucleons, so its energy balance depends on the binding energy which is small (~1%) relative to the total mass.

Thank you. I am just asking about how the mass of individual nucleons is greater than the mass of a nucleus with the same number of nucleons. I think that is the case. So let's call (##\Delta M_A##) the difference between A free nucleons and a nucleus of nucleon number A. Does this difference increase with increasing A, decrease, or something else?
 
Binding energy is the difference between the sum of the masses of the nucleons within the nucleus and the mass of the nucleus. The difference is maximum for Iron. This means lighter elements are created by fusion, while heavier elements need outside energy (velocity of particles in collision).
 
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Caution: this is the binding energy curve for common, beta stable isotopes, which indeed has a maximum at iron (56). Fission fragments are neither common nor beta stable, and do not have the same binding energy curve.
 
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