Source for quotation about science/physics?

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The discussion revolves around the search for a specific quotation related to the nature of scientific progress and the resistance to new theories by established scientists. Participants explore the origins of the quote and its implications for the philosophy of science.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant paraphrases a quote about how old scientists resist radical new theories until they are replaced by new generations.
  • Another participant suggests that the idea aligns with Thomas Kuhn's theory regarding stability and revolution in science.
  • A different participant attributes the quote to Max Planck, providing a more complete version that emphasizes the gradual acceptance of new ideas as older scientists die out.
  • Another participant shares a personal version of the sentiment, stating that "science progresses one death at a time."
  • A participant recommends a website for finding quotes related to scientists, sharing a quote from Faraday as an example.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the attribution of the quote to Max Planck, but there is some uncertainty regarding the exact wording and the connection to Thomas Kuhn's theories. The discussion does not reach a definitive consensus on the original source or the implications of the quote.

Contextual Notes

There are variations in the wording of the quote discussed, and participants note the importance of specific terms like "rarely" versus "never." The discussion also reflects differing interpretations of the implications of the quote for the philosophy of science.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying the philosophy of science, the history of scientific thought, or individuals looking for insights into the dynamics of scientific progress and resistance to change.

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I read this some time ago, I don't remember where. Roughly paraphased:

"Old scientists are never convinced of any radical new theory. Eventually, the old scientists die and are replaced by new ones who grew up being taught it."

Does this sound familiar to anyone? Thanks for your help.
 
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That sounds like Thomas Kuhn's 'stability & revolution' theory of how science works.
 
Yeah, I think it might have been Kuhn.
 
It was Max Planck, written in The Philosophy of Physics.

Just dug out my copy of Bartlett's, so here's the full quote as they have it:
An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes Paul. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out and that the growing generation is familiarized with the idea from the beginning.

Note that in the actual quote, the word "rarely" is used, not "never."
 
Thanks, Moonbear.
 
Another version that used to be part of my signature: Science progresses one death at a time.
 
A great website for whatever quotes you need is http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Mathematicians/Faraday.html" would be the link you would get; a list of quotes for the scientist.

Work, finish, publish

- Faraday

My Favourite quote.
 
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