Space Cold | Why No Matter Means No Heat

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The discussion revolves around the reasons for the coldness of space, exploring concepts related to heat, matter, and energy transfer in a vacuum. Participants examine the implications of the absence of matter in space, the role of electromagnetic radiation, and the existence of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) and interstellar medium (ISM).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that space is cold primarily due to the lack of matter, suggesting that without atoms, there can be no heat, as heat is energy associated with matter.
  • Others argue that while space is mostly empty, it is not accurate to label it as "cold," as the interstellar medium and warm-hot intergalactic medium can have high temperatures, although the density is very low.
  • A participant mentions that heat transfer occurs through radiation, convection, and conduction, noting that in deep space, objects radiate heat into a cold sink with an average temperature of around 3 degrees Kelvin.
  • Another participant raises the question of the cosmic microwave background (CMB), which permeates space, suggesting it contributes to the thermal characteristics of the universe.
  • One participant clarifies that temperature is related to the average speed of particles rather than their quantity, referencing the kinetic theory of gases.
  • There is a discussion about the misleading nature of temperature in low-density environments, where individual particles can be very energetic, but the overall effect on heat transfer is minimal due to the sparse distribution of matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether space can be considered "cold" and the implications of the presence of the CMB and interstellar medium. There is no consensus on the characterization of space's temperature or the primary reasons for its perceived coldness.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of temperature and the average density of particles in space, which complicate the understanding of heat transfer in such environments.

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I was wondering what is the reason why space is so cold ? My own answer would be that because there is no matter , or almoust no matter so almoust no atoms.

then i thought but there is sun and lots of energy source which radiate EM energy on various frequencies , but since there is almoust no matter in space there is nothing in the way of the radiation to intercept it and heat up so the waves just fly by until they hit something that can absorb that radiation which is matter , like planet Earth and our atmosphere , is my thinking correct ?

so the answer i came up myself is space is cold because where there is no matter also there can't be any heat because heat is energy which is normally associated with matter.
 
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Salvador said:
I was wondering what is the reason why space is so cold ? My own answer would be that because there is no matter , or almoust no matter so almoust no atoms.

then i thought but there is sun and lots of energy source which radiate EM energy on various frequencies , but since there is almoust no matter in space there is nothing in the way of the radiation to intercept it and heat up so the waves just fly by until they hit something that can absorb that radiation which is matter , like planet Earth and our atmosphere , is my thinking correct ?

so the answer i came up myself is space is cold because where there is no matter also there can't be any heat because heat is energy which is normally associated with matter.
What about the CMB? That permeates all of space.
 
Heat transfer occurs in 3 forms

radiant --- anybody above 3 degrees will lose heat by radiating it into space, which has an average temperature of 3 degrees. (this is, of course, not true way off the average, such as near a star)

convection --- you get none of that in space

conduction --- you get none of that in space

SO ... basically, in deep space all you do is radiate into a 3 degree sink, which is damned cold by human standards.
 
Vagn said:
What about the CMB? That permeates all of space.

What about it ?

its only a few Kelvin
 
Space isn't "cold." Most of it is empty, so there is nothing which could conduct heat, or support the existence of heat without external input of energy.

However, the ISM (interstellar medium) and WHIM (warm-hot intergalactic medium) do exist, and are generally very hot (excluding dense molecular clouds from the definition of ISM). This is kind of misleading, because as yes, individual particles can reach upwards of 107 K, the density is so obscenely low that our daily understanding of temperature is pretty much meaningless when thinking about it. For instance, if you were to stick your hand in a pot of boiling water (@ 100° C) you would get some severe burns, not a fun time. However, if you were to stick your hand into an oven which had been heated to 400° C for an equal amount of time, nothing horrible would happen at all. The air in the oven is much less dense than the water in the pot, so despite the overall greater energy of individual particles, fewer of them get a chance to transfer that energy to your skin as heat. The same logic applies to space; while individual particles in the ISM are really, really, really energetic and "hot," there are only a few atoms per cubic meter! If you were to float around in a cloud of ISM, you would radiate your energy away much faster than you could be heated up by the few atoms around you, leading to the illusion that space is inherently cold, and that its low temperature is a result of something other than the fact that most of it is empty.
 
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