Space Elevator Vehicle: Acceleration After Cable Release

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a vehicle released from a space elevator, specifically focusing on its acceleration and behavior after leaving the cable. Participants explore the implications of gravitational effects on the vehicle's motion as it ascends beyond Earth's atmosphere.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving a space elevator of 47,000 km and questions whether a vehicle would slow down after being released from the cable.
  • Another participant expresses interest in the topic and requests a link to the NASA document referenced by the first poster.
  • A participant asserts that the vehicle will continue to slow down as it gains potential energy while ascending, suggesting that it must reduce its speed to compensate for this energy gain.
  • This participant further explains that while the vehicle never truly escapes Earth's gravity, the rate of deceleration decreases as the vehicle ascends due to the weakening gravitational pull.
  • Escape velocity is mentioned as the speed required to maintain kinetic energy at an infinite distance from Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the concept that the vehicle will slow down as it ascends, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the dynamics involved or the implications of escape velocity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the vehicle's initial conditions and the nature of gravitational effects at various altitudes, which are not fully detailed or resolved.

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Say you have a space elevator 47000 km* long (well past the point where centripetal acceleration cancels out gravity)

There is a vehicle traveling up the cable with a pretty high velocity, and instead of braking it just shoots off the top. (assume the counter weight allows this)

At the instant the vehicle leaves the cable, itwould be traveling at the magnitude of the normal and tangential velocity... I think.

Would it slow as it escapes Earth's gravity, or has that already been taking care of?


Now I apologize if this is the wrong forum.

This isn't homework, it's just something I have been thinking about.


*fyi I read about this enormous length in a NASA pdf...
 
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Space elevators are very interesting. Could you post a link to the NASA pdf?

Thanks
Matt
 
nuclear tan said:
Would it slow as it escapes Earth's gravity, or has that already been taking care of?
Yes it will continue to slow down.
Every metre higher it gets it gains potential energy - it must pay for this with kinetic energy by reducing it's speed.
As it gets further away the extra energy in going each metre is less (because Earth's gravity is progressively weaker) so the amount of slowing down is less with each metre.

It never leaves Earth's gravity - there is no limit to gravity (it goes on forever) but eventually it reaches a distance where the gravity is so weak that there is very little difference in potential energy at each extra metre and so the rate of deceleration goes to almost zero.

Escape velocity is the speed you would need to start at so that when you got an infinite distance from Earth you would still have some kinetic energy (and hence speed) left.
 
mgb_phys said:
Yes it will continue to slow down.
Every metre higher it gets it gains potential energy - it must pay for this with kinetic energy by reducing it's speed.
As it gets further away the extra energy in going each metre is less (because Earth's gravity is progressively weaker) so the amount of slowing down is less with each metre.

It never leaves Earth's gravity - there is no limit to gravity (it goes on forever) but eventually it reaches a distance where the gravity is so weak that there is very little difference in potential energy at each extra metre and so the rate of deceleration goes to almost zero.

Escape velocity is the speed you would need to start at so that when you got an infinite distance from Earth you would still have some kinetic energy (and hence speed) left.

Ha! Thank you.
 

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