Space of continuous functions C[a,b]

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The discussion revolves around the dimension of the space of continuous functions C[a,b] and the nature of its Hamel basis. Participants explore whether the dimension of a Hamel basis for C[a,b] is countable or uncountable, considering various approaches and implications of different mathematical theorems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the dimension of C[a,b] is infinite and cannot be finite since it includes all polynomials, questioning the countability of a Hamel basis.
  • Another participant states that Hamel bases are always finite or uncountable, referencing the context of infinite dimensional normed vector spaces.
  • A participant suggests that a counting argument could demonstrate that a countable basis leads to a contradiction due to the cardinality of the vector space being larger than continuum.
  • One participant introduces the set of exponential functions E = {e^ax : a real} as a subset of C[a,b], arguing that it is linearly independent and implies that the cardinality of a basis must be at least continuum.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion about countable bases, clarifying that the cardinality of C[a,b] is indeed the cardinality of the continuum and that E is an uncountable linearly independent subset.
  • It is noted that the space of all real sequences that are eventually zero has a countable Hamel basis, contrasting with the claims about C[a,b].

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the Hamel basis for C[a,b], with some asserting it must be uncountable while others provide examples of spaces with countable bases. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific nature of the Hamel basis for C[a,b].

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various mathematical concepts such as Baire's category theorem and properties of linear independence, but there are unresolved assumptions about the implications of these concepts on the dimension of C[a,b].

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We know that dim(C[a,b]) is infinte. Indeed it cannot be finite since it contains the set of all polynomials.
Is the dimension of a Hamel basis for it countable or uncountable?

I guess if we put a norm on it to make a Banach space, we could use Baire's to imply uncountable.
I am however interested in a proof that does not rely on equipping the vector space with a norm.

If it's too long winded but available somewhere else(books, articles) kindly point it out to me and I'll read it.
 
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Hamel bases are always finite or uncountable.
 
JSuarez said:
Hamel bases are always finite or uncountable.

That's true if your space is an infinite dimensional normed vector space which is complete, and that result follows from Baire's category theorem AFAIK. So you haven't really strayed from the original proof.

A counting argument might suffice. Suppose there was a countable basis. There are only continuum many choices of finite linear combinations from these, but the cardinality of the vector space is larger than that
 
I used instead the fact that exponentials are continuous
Then E:={e^ax : a real } is a subset of C[a,b]

It's clear that for finite n, {e^ix : i in N} is linearly independent.
I'm fudging, but that would seem to imply that E is also linearly independent, since every finite subset is linearly independent.
Hence cardinality of a basis is at least |E| = continuum
 
Office_Shredder said:
A counting argument might suffice. Suppose there was a countable basis. There are only continuum many choices of finite linear combinations from these, but the cardinality of the vector space is larger than that

False: the cardinality of C[a,b] is the cardinality of the continuum. (Each function in C[a,b] is uniquely determined by its values on the rational numbers in [a,b].)

But yes, you could show that E = {eax | a real} is an uncountable linearly independent subset of C[a,b], to show that C[a,b] has no countable Hamel basis.

JSuarez said:
Hamel bases are always finite or uncountable.

The space of all real sequences which are eventually zero has a countable Hamel basis.
 
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