The discussion revolves around the concept of how information-carrying radiation is perceived by observers moving towards a source, particularly focusing on the implications of relative motion on the rate at which information is received. The scope includes theoretical considerations and interpretations of the Doppler effect, as well as the implications of observer motion on the perception of information transmission.
Participants express disagreement on the interpretation of how information is received by moving observers, with some supporting the idea of variable information velocity and others firmly stating that this is incorrect. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing views on the implications of observer motion and the nature of information transmission.
Participants highlight the importance of keeping track of units and the definitions of terms used in the discussion, indicating that some assumptions may not be universally accepted or clearly defined.
I'm not sure what you mean. Can you be more specific about the scenario you have in mind?Speady said:How can an approaching observer receive the information from a source at a higher rate (as an accelerated recording), while the information-carrying radiation could not?
It's not clear what you are asking, but keep this in mind: Although the information-carrying radiation will travel at the constant speed of light, c, the density of information or frequencies in the radiation can change. There can be red or blue shifts and the information content density (rate) can decrease or increase.Speady said:How can an approaching observer receive the information from a source at a higher rate (as an accelerated recording), while the information-carrying radiation could not?
Why do you say this? It doesn’t seem correct to me. Be sure to show your work and keep track of the units. So far I don’t see anything in your discussion with units of m/s other than c.Speady said:The information had a higher velocity relative to B than relative to A
@Speady you have had multiple previous threads all pushing the same mistaken understanding on your part. Nothing has changed since those previous threads. Your claim here...Speady said:@Dale: what exactly are you missing or what is not entirely clear to you in my message #4?
...has already gotten you one misinformation warning. This topic has been discussed more than enough. If you post about it again you will receive another warning which will result in a temporary ban from PF.Speady said:I think the conclusion must be that radiation has a variable velocity relative to an observer, depending on the motion of the observer in the direction of the source.