Spin Triplet of Ortho Helium - Why Total Spin is 1?

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The discussion revolves around the spin states of ortho helium, specifically addressing why the total spin of the symmetric wavefunction constructed from two electrons' spins is considered to be one. The scope includes theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and the properties of electron spin states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the ortho state of helium has a symmetric spin wavefunction and lists three possible symmetric wavefunctions for the two electrons' spins.
  • The same participant expresses confusion about why the last symmetric state results in a total spin of one, questioning the alignment of the spins.
  • Another participant suggests that to determine the spin of a state, one must apply the total angular momentum operator squared, which would yield a spin of one.
  • This second participant emphasizes that the total spin is not determined by the magnetic quantum number but rather by the total angular momentum quantum number.
  • A later reply acknowledges an oversight regarding the initial confusion, indicating a clarification of the concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There appears to be some confusion and debate regarding the interpretation of the total spin of the symmetric state, with differing views on the implications of spin alignment and the method to determine total spin. No consensus is reached on the initial participant's confusion.

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The discussion does not resolve the assumptions about the nature of spin states or the implications of applying the total angular momentum operator, leaving these aspects open for further exploration.

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For the ortho state of Helium, the spin part of the wavefunction is symmetric.

There are 3 possible symmetric wavefunctions we can construct from the 2 electrons' spins.

(^^)

(vv)

[1/SQRT2] { (^v) + (v^) }

I am confused as to why this last state gives a total spin of one? The electrons can only be in one of these eigenstates, both of equal probability of 1/2, but the spins are anti-aligned, are they not?

Thanks guys! (I hope you'll not mind my improvisation for electron spin functions with ^ and v ! :-p )

Cheers!
 
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Master J said:
For the ortho state of Helium, the spin part of the wavefunction is symmetric.

There are 3 possible symmetric wavefunctions we can construct from the 2 electrons' spins.

(^^)

(vv)

[1/SQRT2] { (^v) + (v^) }

I am confused as to why this last state gives a total spin of one? The electrons can only be in one of these eigenstates, both of equal probability of 1/2, but the spins are anti-aligned, are they not?

Thanks guys! (I hope you'll not mind my improvisation for electron spin functions with ^ and v ! :-p )

Cheers!

1. Learn to write with LaTeX code. [tex]\left|\uparrow\downarrow\right\rangle[/tex] - it looks so pretty ! :!)

2. Well, to find the spin of a certain state, you must apply the total angular momentum operator squared. When you do that, you'll get the spin 1.

Remember that it's not [itex]\mbox{m}_{\mbox{j}}[/itex] who gives the spin of the state, but [itex]\mbox{j}[/itex].
 
Ah, an oversight on my part! Thanks for clearing that up!
 

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