Splitting H atom = High energy?

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The discussion revolves around the energy dynamics involved in the fusion of hydrogen atoms, with participants exploring where the energy originates during this process. The conversation touches on concepts related to nuclear forces and the nature of atomic interactions, as well as addressing some confusion regarding the splitting of hydrogen atoms versus fusion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the source of energy when hydrogen atoms are fused, suggesting that it may relate to the strong nuclear force.
  • One participant clarifies that splitting hydrogen atoms is not typical and that energy is usually released during the fusion of light nuclei, while heavy nuclei undergo fission.
  • There is a suggestion that external energy is required to split protons, indicating a misunderstanding about the nature of hydrogen atom splitting.
  • A metaphor involving magnets is introduced to illustrate how energy can be derived from interactions, likening it to the strong nuclear forces at play in fusion.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the energy production in nuclear fusion and seeks further clarification on how significant amounts of energy are generated.
  • A link to an article on Nuclear Binding Energy is provided as a resource for further understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some confusion regarding the terminology and processes of nuclear fusion and splitting. While there is a general understanding that fusion releases energy, the specifics of how this occurs and the distinction between fusion and fission remain contested and unclear.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of energy storage in atomic particles and the conditions under which fusion occurs. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding about nuclear processes and the terminology used in describing them.

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Hydrogen Fusion = High energy?

Where does the energy come from when a Hydrogen atom is fused?

Is the energy stored in some part (proton, neutron, electron)?

Thank you if someone can give me some idea about this. I guess it is about the strong nuclear force, but I'd like to know in a bit more detail if possible. :)
 
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htyj6g9jv1ev6 said:
Where does the energy come from when a Hydrogen atom is split?

Is the energy stored in some part (proton, neutron, electron)?

It seems it takes almost no energy to form a Hydrogen atom? Yet, when it breaks apart, it unleashes an untold amount of energy?

Thank you if someone can give me some idea about this. I guess it is about the strong nuclear force, but I'd like to know in a bit more detail if possible. :)

Where exactly did you read about this "hydrogen atom split"?

Typically, it is heavy nuclei, such as uranium, plutonium, etc. that undergoes splitting that releases energy. Light nuclei, such as hydrogen, deuterium, etc. fuse (i.e. undergo fusion) to release energy. To "split" protons (i.e. H atom nucleus) requires external energy from somewhere, such as that done at the LHC and the Tevatron. In other words, it takes energy to do this, not energy from the nuclei themselves.

I'm guessing there's a considerable level of confusion here that resulted in this question.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Where exactly did you read about this "hydrogen atom split"?

Typically, it is heavy nuclei, such as uranium, plutonium, etc. that undergoes splitting that releases energy. Light nuclei, such as hydrogen, deuterium, etc. fuse (i.e. undergo fusion) to release energy. To "split" protons (i.e. H atom nucleus) requires external energy from somewhere, such as that done at the LHC and the Tevatron. In other words, it takes energy to do this, not energy from the nuclei themselves.

I'm guessing there's a considerable level of confusion here that resulted in this question.

Zz.

Ah yes. I am confused. I saw it on a TV documentary, but I remembered incorrectly.

Maybe my question should be rephrased:
Where does the tremendous energy come from when Hydrogen undergoes nuclear fusion?

I just do not understand how large quantities of energy are produced from this.
 
Take two magnets. Move them near each other. Watch them snap together. Where did the energy for the snap come from? It's not really in magnets themselves, but rather in magnetic field. Something very similar happens in fusion, except the forces involved are strong nuclear forces.
 
htyj6g9jv1ev6 said:
Ah yes. I am confused. I saw it on a TV documentary, but I remembered incorrectly.

Maybe my question should be rephrased:
Where does the tremendous energy come from when Hydrogen undergoes nuclear fusion?

I just do not understand how large quantities of energy are produced from this.

This introductory article on Nuclear Binding Energy should help you out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_binding_energy

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