Squaring of vectors in absolute value

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the mathematical properties of vector addition and the squaring of vectors, specifically whether the expression |\vec{a}+\vec{b}|^{2} is equivalent to (\vec{a}+\vec{b})^{2}, and under what conditions this relates to the expression √(a^{2}+b^{2}). The scope includes conceptual understanding and mathematical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that |\vec{a}+\vec{b}|^{2} is equal to (\vec{a}+\vec{b})^{2}, assuming the right-hand expression involves the dot product.
  • Others clarify that multiplication of vectors is not defined unless specified, except for the cross product.
  • There is a discussion about the expression √(a^{2}+b^{2}), with some participants indicating it represents the magnitude of the vectors when they are orthogonal.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for clarity regarding the second part of the original question about √(a^{2}+b^{2}).
  • Another participant confirms that √(a^{2}+b^{2}) refers to the magnitude of the vector sum when the vectors are orthogonal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the equivalence of the two expressions under certain conditions, but there is no consensus on the broader implications of the magnitude expression, particularly regarding its application to non-orthogonal vectors.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the definitions of vector operations and the conditions under which the expressions are equivalent. The discussion does not resolve whether the expressions hold in all cases or only under specific conditions.

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Is |\vec{a}+\vec{b}|^{2} equal to the same thing as (\vec{a}+\vec{b})^{2}? And when is it equal to √(a^{2}+b^{2})?

Thanks.
 
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M. next said:
Is |\vec{a}+\vec{b}|^{2} equal to the same thing as (\vec{a}+\vec{b})^{2}?
They're the same, assuming the implied multiplication in the expression on the right is the dot product. Otherwise, multiplication of one vector by another is not defined (with the exception of the cross product).
M. next said:
And when is it equal to √(a^{2}+b^{2})?

Tip: You don't need so many tex or itex tags. Your squared vector sum can be written like this:
[itex[/color]](\vec{a} +\vec{b})^2 [/itex]
Or instead of the itex tags, you can use ## delimiters at the front and back.
 
Thank you for the reply and the tip. But about the √(a^2+b^2)?? My second part of the question?
 
M. next said:
Thank you for the reply and the tip. But about the √(a^2+b^2)?? My second part of the question?

That is merely the magnitude of both vectors. Assuming that's what you mean? You were a little unclear on the second part. Think of magnitude as the size or length of those two vectors.
 
M. next said:
Thank you for the reply and the tip. But about the √(a^2+b^2)?? My second part of the question?

\sqrt{a^2+b^2} is the magnitude of \vec{a}±\vec{b},where \vec{a} and \vec{b} are orthogonal (perpendicular) vectors.
 
Okay. Thank you, yes, it is exactly what I meant.
 

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