Standard Deviation from one axis to another axis

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of standard deviation values from vehicle body-fixed coordinates to global coordinates in the context of radar data processing. Participants explore the mathematical implications of this transformation, particularly focusing on how to handle standard deviations in relation to coordinate rotation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in manipulating standard deviation values during coordinate transformation for radar data.
  • Another participant suggests that standard deviations can be rotated similarly to coordinates, emphasizing the need to keep them positive.
  • A different participant proposes that if the radar to target range has variance, the standard deviations can be combined using the equation σ_X² + σ_Y² = σ_R² for projection onto perpendicular axes.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that the range error follows a Gaussian distribution, noting that the radar's output can result in non-Gaussian shapes, complicating the transformation process.
  • One participant corrects a previous statement regarding the type of signal used in radar processing, specifying that it is a "linear frequency modulated transmitted signal."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the method for transforming standard deviation values, with multiple competing views regarding the nature of the data and the appropriate mathematical treatment. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of non-Gaussian distributions on the transformation process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the assumptions of Gaussian behavior in radar data and the complexities introduced by the nature of the radar signal processing. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of these factors in mathematical modeling.

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Hi

Maybe my math/stat is very poor. I'm having trouble manipulating the standard deviation. Here's the thing.
I have radar mounted on a car. For each detection, the radar returns these variables.
- relative distance between the object/host vehicle in forward direction (in vehicle body-fixed coordinates)
- standard deviation of the relative forward distance
- relative distance between the object/host vehicle in left/right direction (in vehicle body-fixed coordinates)
- standard deviation of the relative left/right distance

I'm trying to do coordinate transform of the above data, so that I get relative distance/standard deviation in global coordinates (North, South, East, West)
Distance is easy since it only requires to rotate the axis by the amount of angle between the vehicle body-fixed axis and the global axis.

How about standard deviation? How do I transform the standard deviation from the vehicle body-fixed axis to global axis?
 
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I first note that the radar data is well-processed data. The normal range/azimuth (polar coordinates) has already been converted to Cartesian coordinate.

I would take the standard deviations expressed as distances and simply rotate them as you would the coordinates of the target.
The only difference is that the standard deviations are +/- values, so keep them positive.

So: SDnorth = abs(SDz*sin(bearing))+abs((SDx*cos(bearing))

Car bearing is angle clockwise of North.
 
.Scott said:
I first note that the radar data is well-processed data. The normal range/azimuth (polar coordinates) has already been converted to Cartesian coordinate.

If the radar to target range ##R## has variance ##\sigma_R^2## then wouldn't the usual way of projecting this variance on two perpendicular axes X,Y be to arrange it so ##\sigma_X^2 + \sigma_Y^2 = \sigma_R^2##?

If the projection was done that way, the two given standard deviations could be used to compute ##\sigma_R^2## and then that value could be re-projected on a different pair of perpendicular axes.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
If the radar to target range ##R## has variance ##\sigma_R^2## then wouldn't the usual way of projecting this variance on two perpendicular axes X,Y be to arrange it so ##\sigma_X^2 + \sigma_Y^2 = \sigma_R^2##?

If the projection was done that way, the two given standard deviations could be used to compute ##\sigma_R^2## and then that value could be re-projected on a different pair of perpendicular axes.
For range, yes. Except that the range error does not follow a Gaussian curve. With car radar (and many other radars), a linear modulated transmitted signal is mixed with the received signal and an FFT is applied. The result is all targets are laid out in range bins. Without any interpolation,the curve is roughly a rectangular curve. With interpolation, it can be triangular or some combination with rectangular.

The determination of azimuth is accomplished in a more complicated way and involves several transmit and receive antennae. I've seen (and computed) the curves - they're roughly sinusoidal, not really Gaussian. So the 2-D combination forms an arc, not an ellipse, and if the target is well left or right of the bore sight, definitely not an ellipse that aligns nicely with the X,Z axis.

So the problem is really problematic.
 
I left out an important word: "linear modulated transmitted signal" should be "linear frequency modulated transmitted signal". So the frequency plot looks like a ramp.
 

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