States and Group: Eigenvectors Represent One Dimension

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The discussion revolves around the representation of operators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on eigenvectors and their role in defining one-dimensional representations in vector spaces. Participants explore concepts related to self-adjoint operators, the spectral theorem, and the implications of one-parameter Lie groups in this context.

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  • Some participants propose that a set of basis vectors being eigenvectors of an operator provides a one-dimensional representation of that operator in the vector space.
  • Others argue that if the operator is self-adjoint, it defines a unitary representation of a one-parameter Lie group, questioning the meaning of "representation of that operator in vector space."
  • There is a suggestion that on each one-dimensional eigenspace, one has a one-dimensional representation.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of the group being additive in the context of one-parameter Lie groups.
  • One participant mentions the spectral theorem, indicating that a self-adjoint operator can be represented in terms of its eigenvectors, but notes that this is valid only for operators with a purely discrete spectrum.
  • Another participant highlights that for Hermitian operators with a continuous spectrum, there are no eigenvectors, and a different representation involving distributions may be necessary.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of self-adjoint operators and the nature of representations in quantum mechanics. There is no clear consensus on the interpretation of the operator representations or the conditions under which they hold.

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Some statements depend on specific definitions of operators and the nature of their spectra, which are not fully resolved in the discussion. The discussion also touches on the limitations of applying the spectral theorem to various types of operators.

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Suppose a set of basis vectors are eigenvectors of some operator. So they will provide a one dimensional representation of that operator in the vector space?
 
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If the operator ##\hat{A}## is self-adjoint, then it defines a unitary representation of a one-parameter Lie group via
$$\hat{U}=\exp(-\mathrm{i} \lambda \hat{A}).$$
It's not clear to me what you mean by "representation of that operator in vector space". A representation of an operator is usually the realization of the operator in a concrete realization of the (up to isomorphy unique) separable Hilbert space. E.g., if you choose the position representation, you work with position-wave functions, ##\psi(\vec{x})## and the representation of the components of the momentum are the derivatives ##\hat{p}_j=-\mathrm{i} \hbar \partial_{j}##.

If you work in the "##A## representation", i.e., with the wave functions which are "components" wrt. to the complete orthonormal set of eigenvectors (or generalized eigenvectors if the operator has continuous parts in its spectrum or if the spectrum is even entirely continuous), ##\psi(a)=\langle a|\psi \rangle##. Then the representation of ##\hat{A}## is simply multiplication by ##a## since
$$\hat{A} \psi(a)=\langle a |\hat{A} \psi \rangle = \langle \hat{A} a |\psi \rangle=a \langle a|\psi \rangle.$$
That's of course also the case in the position representation. The components of the position vector are represented by multiplication of the wave function with the component, ##\hat{x}_j \psi(\vec{x})=x_j \psi(\vec{x})##.
 
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kent davidge said:
Suppose a set of basis vectors are eigenvectors of some operator. So they will provide a one dimensional representation of that operator in the vector space?
Then on each 1-dimensional eigenspace one has a 1-dimensional representation.
 
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vanhees71 said:
If the operator ##\hat{A}## is self-adjoint, then it defines a unitary representation of a one-parameter Lie group via
$$\hat{U}=\exp(-\mathrm{i} \lambda \hat{A}).$$
isn't that the case only if the group is additive?
 
Isn't this implied by the definition of "one-parameter Lie group"?
 
vanhees71 said:
Isn't this implied by the definition of "one-parameter Lie group"?
oh yea, sorry
 
kent davidge said:
Suppose a set of basis vectors are eigenvectors of some operator. So they will provide a one dimensional representation of that operator in the vector space?
I'm guessing your underlying question is whether the operator can be represented in terms of the eigenvectors. For a self-adjoint operator ##A## on a Hilbert space, with eigenvectors ##|a\rangle##, where ##a## is a eigenvalue of ##A##, one can represent $$A ~=~ \sum_a a\, |a\rangle\langle a| ~.$$ This is a simple version of "the spectral theorem". More general versions are available for more general operators, i.e., operators that are not self-adjoint, but satisfy certain other property(ies). I could sketch more detail if indeed that was what you were really asking. (?)
 
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You mean
$$\hat{A}=\sum_a a |a \rangle \langle a|.$$
Your expression is, due to the completeness of the eigenkets
$$\sum_a |a \rangle \langle a|=\hat{1}.$$
 
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@strangerep that's not exactly what I was meaning to ask, but I will come up with a better description of my doubts in a further thread.
 
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vanhees71 said:
You mean [...]
Oops! Yes -- thank you.

(Post corrected.)
 
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strangerep said:
I'm guessing your underlying question is whether the operator can be represented in terms of the eigenvectors. For a self-adjoint operator ##A## on a Hilbert space, with eigenvectors ##|a\rangle##, where ##a## is a eigenvalue of ##A##, one can represent $$A ~=~ \sum_a a\, |a\rangle\langle a| ~.$$ This is a simple version of "the spectral theorem".
This is valid for self-adjoint operators with a purely discrete spectrum only. For Hermitian operators with a continuous spectrum there are no eigenvectors. Or you need to embed the Hilbert space into the dual of a nuclear space and get an analogous representation involving distribution-valued bras and kets and integrals in place of the sum. In the mixed spectrum case you need a combination of sums and integrals.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
This is valid for self-adjoint operators with a purely discrete spectrum only. [...]
Yes, I know. The intent of my (incomplete) post was merely to try and zero in on what the OP was really asking about.
 

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