Stationary State: Energy & Time-Independent Wave Function

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The discussion revolves around the nature of stationary states in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the time-dependent factors in wave functions and their implications for energy levels and physical significance. Participants explore the mathematical representation of wave functions, the concept of redundancy in phase factors, and the relationship between stationary and non-stationary states.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the time-dependent factor in the wave function for stationary states, represented as exp(-iE t / ħ), is mathematically redundant and has no physical significance.
  • Others argue that while a constant phase factor is redundant, a time-dependent phase factor is not, as it can influence physical properties such as energy.
  • There is a discussion about the meaning of the time-dependent factor and its relation to energy, with some stating that it indicates the energy 'E' of the state.
  • Participants note that even in stationary states, the wave function depends on time in a "trivial" manner, represented by a simple exponential.
  • Some participants question whether non-stationary solutions imply a lack of definite energy levels and whether eigenvalue problems can still be solved in such cases.
  • It is mentioned that one can still solve the eigenvalue problem and obtain useful energy eigenvalues, even if the state is not an eigenstate of the Hamiltonian.
  • There is a correction regarding the definition of probability, with a participant emphasizing that it is given by the square of the modulus of the wave function, not just the square of the wave function itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of time-dependent phase factors, with some considering them redundant and others asserting their importance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of non-stationary states on energy levels and the nature of wave functions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the relationship between wave functions, phase factors, and physical states, indicating that the discussion involves nuanced interpretations of quantum mechanics that may depend on specific definitions and contexts.

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For stationary state, the energy of the system is constant and time-independent, so for some specific form of potential, the Schrödinger can be variable separated such that the general solution will be


<br /> \psi(x, t) = \phi(x) \exp(-iE t /\hbar)<br />

The probability is given by the square of the wave function so the arbitrary phase factor \exp(iE t/\hbar) in above solution doesn't matter. However, if we consider the wave function itself, what's the meaning of the time-dependent factor \exp(iE t/\hbar). If it is stationary, why wavefunction is depending on time?


By the way, if the solution is non-stationary, is it no more any definite energy level? So in this case, there is no corresponding eigenvalue problem?
 
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In quantum mechanics, wave function is actually not a good description of a quantum state. It is a redundant description. Two wave functions that differ only by a multiplicative (phase) factor correspond to the same physical state. So, the exponential time-dependent factor present in the wave function of any stationary state has no physical significance. It is just a mathematical redundancy.
 
KFC said:
For stationary state, the energy of the system is constant and time-independent, so for some specific form of potential, the Schrödinger can be variable separated such that the general solution will be


<br /> \psi(x, t) = \phi(x) \exp(-iE t /\hbar)<br />

The probability is given by the square of the wave function so the arbitrary phase factor \exp(iE t/\hbar) in above solution doesn't matter. However, if we consider the wave function itself, what's the meaning of the time-dependent factor \exp(iE t/\hbar).

The meaning is just what you have indicated by using the symbol 'E'; the time-dependence of the state tells us the energy 'E'.

If it is stationary, why wavefunction is depending on time?

Even the "stationary" state depends on time but the dependence is "trivial". I.e., a simple exponential e^(-iEt).


By the way, if the solution is non-stationary, is it no more any definite energy level? So in this case, there is no corresponding eigenvalue problem?

You can still solve the eigenvalue problem
<br /> \hat H \psi = E \psi\;,<br />
and obtain the energy eigenvalues and they are still useful. For example, suppose you know that the state of the systems at t=0 is
<br /> \Phi=a\phi_1+b\phi_2\;,<br />
where \phi_1 and \phi_2 are eigenfunctions of the eigenvalue problem with eigenvalues E_1 and E_2, respectively. Knowing this you can determine the time dependence of the state \Phi, which is not "trivial" since \Phi is not an eigenstate of the hamiltonian (unless E_1=E_2).
 
KFC said:
The probability is given by the square of the wave function
No it's not, it's given by the square of the modulus of the wave function. The modulus of exp(ikt) will always be 1, so it has no direct affect on the probabilities. However, when you combine two systems, then there is a possibility of interference, which is explained by the combination of the phases.
 
meopemuk said:
So, the exponential time-dependent factor present in the wave function of any stationary state has no physical significance. It is just a mathematical redundancy.

Time dependent phase factors are not redundant. A constant phase factor is redundant, but multiplying by a time dependent factor changes many things of physical relevance, such as the energy.
 
dx said:
Time dependent phase factors are not redundant. A constant phase factor is redundant, but multiplying by a time dependent factor changes many things of physical relevance, such as the energy.

In the Hilbert space the true representation of a state is not a vector |\Psi \rangle but a ray (1-dimensional subspace containing |\Psi \rangle). All vectors of the form \alpha(t)|\Psi \rangle (where \alpha(t) is any numerical function of t) belong to the same ray. Expectation values of all operators (e.g., energy) do not depend on the form of \alpha(t), so this phase factor is completely irrelevant for physics.
 

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