Steven Weinberg offers a way to explain inflation

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The discussion revolves around Steven Weinberg's recent paper on asymptotically safe inflation, exploring its implications for cosmology and the nature of inflationary mechanisms. Participants examine the theoretical framework, its elegance compared to traditional models, and the challenges it presents within the context of quantum gravity and cosmology.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the appeal of Weinberg's model due to its "graceful exit" from inflation, contrasting it with traditional inflaton scenarios that require exotic matter fields and complex mechanisms to end inflation.
  • Others argue that the asymptotically safe approach is elegant because it relies on established constants like the Newton constant and cosmological constant, suggesting it adheres to Occam's razor.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the attention the paper has received, questioning whether the concept of asymptotically safe quantum gravity is overly ambitious or a significant stretch compared to other theories like supersymmetry.
  • One participant raises concerns about the implications of the renormalization flow and the likelihood of our universe lying on the critical surface necessary for the theory to hold, suggesting it may require fine-tuning or unknown mechanisms.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that the theory connects with multiverse ideas, emphasizing that it is rooted in the renormalization group flow of our universe rather than a broader multiverse context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of enthusiasm and skepticism regarding Weinberg's model. While some appreciate its potential elegance and simplicity, others raise significant concerns about its feasibility and the assumptions underlying the theory. No consensus is reached on the validity or implications of the proposed model.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence on the existence of a UV fixed point and the challenges in measuring relevant couplings, which remain largely uncertain. The discussion also reflects on the historical context of Weinberg's work and its evolution over time.

  • #151
marcus said:
In electromagnetism the operative running constant is alpha (approx. = 1/137) that relates charge to attraction and distance. Charge does not have to run, because alpha runs.
Thanks for this correction.


What I think is an intriguing question is what is meant by "fundamental".

It's not as simple an issue as some people may imagine. ...
So I can't answer your question about are there any really fundamental, not merely effective, physical theories. But glad you asked. Maybe someone else will put it into perspective for both of us.

I hope so. But I suspect that it depends on "times that are a-changing", as Bob Dylan once sang, so that any answer may not be final. Perhaps Newton's gravity was once viewed as quite fundamental. It still is in atyy's sense:
A fundamental theory is one that does not predict its own breakdown
Maybe a lifetime ago General Relativity was formulated as a fundamental theory of gravity. There seem to be doubts nowadays.
 
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  • #152
... any answer may not be final. Perhaps Newton's gravity was once viewed as quite fundamental. It still is in atyy's sense:
A fundamental theory is one that does not predict its own breakdown
Maybe a lifetime ago General Relativity was formulated as a fundamental theory of gravity. There seem to be doubts nowadays.

It begins to seem as if accurately predicting its own limitations ("effective" in Atyy's sense) is a VIRTUE to be appreciated in a theory.

General Relativity has its Penrose et al singularity theorems. The particle Standard Model has (correct me if I am wrong) Landau poles---blow-up points---which can be shifted around but not entirely avoided. Both theories illuminate their own limitations.
 
  • #153
Sorry, in message #150 reply to atyy, I should clear up what I meant by "Yes" in the first line. I meant yes Asymptotic freedom needs a critical point and no it cannot do with a limit cycle.
 
  • #154
DarMM said:
Sorry, in message #150 reply to atyy, I should clear up what I meant by "Yes" in the first line. I meant yes Asymptotic freedom needs a critical point and no it cannot do with a limit cycle.

Do theories with a limit cycle have a physical interpretation?
 
  • #155
atyy said:
Do theories with a limit cycle have a physical interpretation?
No, one needs a critical point to have a continuum limit. So a renormalization group flow which exhibits a limit cycle is simply another theory without a continuum limit. No different from a theory without a limit cycle which doesn't approach the critical point.
 
  • #156
  • #157
atyy said:
http://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/0303038
An Infrared Renormalization Group Limit Cycle in QCD
Eric Braaten (Ohio State U.), H.-W. Hammer

http://arxiv.org/abs/0803.2911
The impact of bound states on similarity renormalization group transformations
Stanislaw D. Glazek, Robert J. Perry
The second paper is not related to field theory, so I'll only talk about the first.
The paper is concerned with the infrared behaviour of the theory, in that specific case I'm not familiar with the meaning of limit cycles.
However asymptotic safety is related to the ultraviolet behaviour of a field theory and obtaining a continuum limit. For this you need a critical point, a limit cycle would not do, as it wouldn't provide a diverging lattice correlation. So for the ultraviolet the theory cannot make do with a limit cycle.

However maybe I haven't understood what you are asking, providing the links on their own without commentary doesn't indicate what you are trying to say.
 
  • #158
But don't we just need all the couplings to be finite for arbitrary energies?
 

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