Sublimation of Dry Ice in a Closed System

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The discussion centers on the sublimation of dry ice in a closed system, specifically addressing the conditions under which sublimation occurs. It is established that dry ice, composed of solid carbon dioxide, will not sublimate in an environment above -78.5 degrees Celsius if the container is completely filled and the walls are thick enough to withstand pressure buildup. The conversation also highlights the importance of pressure and temperature relationships, noting that sublimation is influenced by the external temperature and the pressure within the container. The material of the container, such as aluminum or titanium, plays a critical role in determining whether sublimation can occur without risk of explosion.

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Hello,

Please forgive my ignorance, although bright, I was a lousy student, & never took physics in school. I find it frustrating when relatives & friends are uncertain as to how to respond to questions like those below, so your educated reply would therefore be all the more appreciated. Thank you.

I would assume that frozen H20 completely filling the space of a closed system would convert to water if the container (one whose walls consisted of an energy conductor such as aluminum) would be placed in an environment above 0 Celsius, since extra room is not required for the newly formed water, as water is denser than ice. However, the converse, would probably not be true, as when placing the same container, this time filled completely with water in a room where the temperature is below 0 Celsius, since the water would have no room to expand when attempting to convert to a solid. Similarly, I would assume that dry ice completely filling a container, as the one described above, would not sublimate, when the container is placed in a room above -78.5 degrees Celsius. I understand that in the dry ice example, the container's walls would have to be sufficiently thick to offset the increasing pressure buildup resulting from sublimation. But if the inside of the container were, say, one square foot, and the walls of the container would be a foot thick, and instead of aluminum have the walls of the container made of titanium, would the dry ice sublimate without risk of explosion or would the pressure buildup not allow the dry ice to sublimate?
 
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But if the inside of the container were, say, one square foot, and the walls of the container would be a foot thick, and instead of aluminum have the walls of the container made of titanium, would the dry ice sublimate without risk of explosion or would the pressure buildup not allow the dry ice to sublimate?

This would still rather depend on the strength of the walls and all that. A little difficult to say. Also, the boiling points of substances are measured at a known pressure. A liquid in a low pressure environment has a lower boiling point than when the liquid is at atmospheric pressure. Likewise, a liquid in a high pressure environment has a higher boiling point than when the liquid is at atmospheric pressure. The values you have are for atmospheric pressure, I think.
 
All solids & liquids described above begin at atmospheric pressure. The question is does the temperature on the exterior of the container walls (namely the temperature in the room the container is situated in.) which is attempting to elevate the temperature of the dry ice within the container succeed in elevating the temperature within or does it not succeed? And if it does succeed is the dry ice able to sublimate or not? I wonder if the dry ice's temperature can only be elevated if it would be able to sublimate? In my example (if you'd prefer, we could talk about the walls being 100 feet thick. I don't really care how thick as long as they are sufficiently thick to NOT allow the pressure buildup to ever be able to cause the container to explode).
 
I do not have a good working knowledge of physics yet. I tried to piece this together but after researching this, I couldn’t figure out the correct laws of physics to combine to develop a formula to answer this question. Ex. 1 - A moving object impacts a static object at a constant velocity. Ex. 2 - A moving object impacts a static object at the same velocity but is accelerating at the moment of impact. Assuming the mass of the objects is the same and the velocity at the moment of impact...

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