Sum of 6th Roots of x^6 - 1 for n

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The discussion centers on the sum of the n-th powers of the roots of the polynomial x^6 - 1, exploring both the real and complex roots, as well as the implications of these roots in terms of their sums for various values of n. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding roots of unity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the roots of x^6 - 1 are +1 and -1, while others correct this by stating there are four complex roots as well.
  • One participant proposes that the sum of the n-th powers of the roots can be expressed as 1 + (-1)^n.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the sixth roots of unity are equally spaced around the unit circle, leading to the conclusion that their sum is 0 if n is even, and n/2 if n is even.
  • There is a debate regarding the nature of the roots, particularly concerning the expression (-1)^(1/3), with some arguing it is not real and others suggesting it is a valid representation.
  • Participants discuss the sums of the squares and cubes of the roots, noting that the sum of the squares is 1 and the sum of the cubes is 0.
  • One participant challenges the claim that the sum of the nth roots of unity is 1 for odd n, stating that it only sums to 1 when n equals 1, and provides a counterexample with n=3.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the characterization of the roots of x^6 - 1, with conflicting views on the number and nature of the roots. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of certain mathematical expressions and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the roots and their sums depend on definitions and interpretations that are not universally agreed upon. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying assumptions about the nature of roots.

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For n a nonnegative integer, what (in terms of n) is the sum of the n-th powers of the roots of the polynomial x^6 - 1 ?
 
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The only roots of
x^6 - 1 = 0
are +1, and -1.

Thus:

1^n + (-1)^n
=
1 + (-1)^n
 
O1O said:
The only roots of
x^6 - 1 = 0
are +1, and -1.

There are four more actually.
 
Sorry, of course there are; I foolishly put the others down to "complex" roots. Hmm.

The 6 [real] roots are:

x = 1
x = (-1)^(1/3)
x = (-1)^(2/3)
x = -1
x = -(-1)^(1/3)
x = -(-1)^(2/3)

That's the hard part done.
 
O1O said:
Sorry, of course there are; I foolishly put the others down to "complex" roots. Hmm.

The 6 [real] roots are:

x = 1
x = (-1)^(1/3)
x = (-1)^(2/3)
x = -1
x = -(-1)^(1/3)
x = -(-1)^(2/3)

That's the hard part done.

Still wrong. There are not six real roots. There are two real roots ( 1, and -1) and then 4 complex roots. Do you, and it really should be the OP, know how to find the compex roots of this equation? In other words do you know how to find all the 6th roots of unity(one)?
 
d_leet said:
Still wrong. There are not six real roots. There are two real roots ( 1, and -1) and then 4 complex roots. Do you, and it really should be the OP, know how to find the compex roots of this equation? In other words do you know how to find all the 6th roots of unity(one)?

I would tend to believe (-1)^(1/3) is not real :( He could have expressed them better yes, but that is still correct.
 
The "nth roots of unity" are equally spaced around the unit circle. In particular that means the sum of the nth roots of unity themselves add to 0, if n is even, or 1, if n is odd. The 6th roots of unity add to 0. Obviously, the squares of the 6 roots of unity satisfy x3- 1= 0 so the sum of their squares is 1. Their third powers satisfy x2-1= 0 so the sum of their cubes is 0. The fourth powers are just the third powers, 1 and -1, times the roots themselves so we get the square roots twice and so the sum is 2. It's not too hard to show that the sum of the nth powers of the roots is 0 if n is odd, n/2 if n is even.

The sixth roots of unity are, of course:
e^{\frac{0i}{6}}= 1
e^{\frac{2\pi i}{6}}= \frac{1}{2}+\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}
e^{\frac{4\pi i}{6}}= \frac{-1}{2}+\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}
e^{\frac{6\pi i}{6}}= -1
e^{\frac{8\pi i}{6}}= \frac{-1}{2}-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}
e^{\frac{10\pi i}{6}= \frac{1}{2}-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}
 
Gib Z said:
I would tend to believe (-1)^(1/3) is not real :( He could have expressed them better yes, but that is still correct.

I think that one is a bit debatable as all real numbers have a unique real cube root, but it may be that the principal cube root is probably complex, however this does not change the fact that he said those were the six real roots.
 
HallsofIvy said:
The "nth roots of unity" are equally spaced around the unit circle. In particular that means the sum of the nth roots of unity themselves add to 0, if n is even, or 1, if n is odd.

They don't sum to 1 if n is odd...
They sum to 1 if n is 1, and to 0 otherwise. Try it with n=3.
It's easy to convince yourself about the rest by drawing a picture.
 

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