Sun Orbital Scanner: Magnifying Star Systems to Detect Planets

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The discussion revolves around the concept of using an array of detectors in orbit around the sun to magnify images of distant star systems for the purpose of detecting planets. Participants explore the feasibility and mechanisms of such a proposal, including comparisons to existing astronomical techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that an array of detectors in orbit around the sun could enhance the detection of planets by magnifying images of distant star systems.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the proposed magnification mechanism and suggests providing a diagram of the detector array's configuration.
  • A participant discusses the limitations of light cones at great distances, suggesting that a geostationary-like arrangement of detectors could allow for better feature distinction through image analysis.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of the term "geostationary" in this context, with a suggestion for "co-orbiting" instead.
  • One participant introduces the concept of astronomical interferometry, explaining how multiple telescopes can be linked to increase resolution, while also noting the drawbacks of this technique in terms of photon collection.
  • Another participant draws an analogy between the structure of the human eye and imaging devices, discussing the roles of rods and cones, but notes that this comparison may not directly relate to telescope functionality.
  • A suggestion is made to explore the term "hypertelescope" and the concept of diffraction as it relates to the resolution limits of telescopes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and terminology of the proposed detector array, with some supporting the idea and others questioning aspects of the proposal. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the mechanisms and implications of the concept.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of orbital terms, the complexity of optical linkage in arrays, and unresolved mathematical considerations regarding resolution and photon collection.

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If we had an array of detectors in an orbit around the sun could we magnify the image of distant star systems. Would this help to detect planets using this magnification?
 
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What magnification mechanism are you referring to? Can you please describe in more detail your proposal? Maybe a sketch or diagram of the location of the array of detectors?
 
I am thinking of the light cones that we receive at those distances. That limits the number of photons we can detect from a star. We basically have tunnel vision. If the detectors were in a geostationary orbit around the sun, all pointed at the same star system we may be able to distinguish features by analysing the differences in each image. In a similar way that early 3D cinema was able to give the illusion of real life objects. The more images we get the more detail we may be able to pick out.
 
hubble_bubble said:
geostationary orbit around the sun

I've never seen "geostationary" used the way I think you're using it here. "Co-orbiting", perhaps?
 
hubble bubble, I think you are referring to using multiple telescopes as sensors in an array. It might be possible in future to increase the dimensions of the array to solar system scale, but it requires optical linkage, which is not simple. They are linked by optical interferometry so as to effectively increase their resolution. See this Wiki article, including the "drawback" when using the technique. Then see an article from the VLT where this has been done with great success.

An astronomical interferometer is an array of telescopes or mirror segments acting together to probe structures with higher resolution by means of interferometry. The benefit of the interferometer is that the angular resolution of the instrument is nearly that of a telescope with the same aperture as a single large instrument encompassing all of the individual photon-collecting sub-components. The drawback is that it does not collect as many photons as a large instrument of that size. Thus it is mainly useful for fine resolution of the more luminous astronomical objects, such as close binary stars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_interferometer

Astronomers have created the world's largest virtual optical telescope, linking four telescopes in Chile so that they operate as a single device.
The telescopes of the Very Large Telescope (VLT) at the Paranal Observatory form a virtual mirror of 130m (424ft) in diameter.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16869022
 
I was looking at the structure of the eye with the rod and cone arrangement when thinking of this. The rods act in a different way to the cones in the retina. Thanks for those links. I will have a look when I get a moment.
 
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I was looking at the structure of the eye with the rod and cone arrangement when thinking of this. The rods act in a different way to the cones in the retina. Thanks for those links. I will have a look when I get a moment.

The rods and cones of your eye are analogous to pixels of a CCD sensor that is used in most imaging devices. The lens, cornea, and iris of your eye work in conjunction as an optical system that is analogous to a telescope of camera lens. Put simply, your eye is a telescope.

And while rods are indeed different from cones, this particular fact is not related to telescopes at all, it is merely a result of us needing to see fine detail and color in bright light while also needing to be able to see in low light levels where fine detail isn't as necessary since we evolved to be asleep for most of the night.
 
One other google term is "hypertelescope"

Something else that you can google for are the terms "diffraction". The basic limits on resolution for telescopes have to do with the fact that light is a wave. It's a pretty simple calculation to figure out what a telescope can and can't see.
 

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