Surviving the Sun's Disappearance: The Life Expectancy of Earth's Inhabitants

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of the sun disappearing and its implications for the survival of life on Earth. Participants explore various aspects including temperature changes, the fate of different life forms, and the effects on the atmosphere and gravity. The scope includes theoretical considerations and speculative reasoning about biological and environmental responses to such an event.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how long life forms could survive without the sun and how quickly temperatures would drop to dangerous levels.
  • Another participant suggests estimating temperature drops based on day-night variations, proposing a drop of about 10°C every 12 hours.
  • Some participants speculate that surface life forms would perish quickly, while simple life forms might survive for millions of years due to geothermal heat and the resilience of certain ecosystems.
  • Concerns are raised about the fate of the atmosphere and the liquefaction of gases as temperatures fall, with specific temperatures noted for oxygen and nitrogen.
  • One participant discusses the potential survival of humans in isolated environments like nuclear submarines or Antarctic research stations, but expresses doubt about long-term survival due to food and oxygen limitations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the survival of different life forms and the timeline of temperature changes, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus on specific outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions, such as the rate of temperature drop and the resilience of certain life forms, but do not resolve the uncertainties surrounding these factors.

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How long would life forms be able to live if the sun were to just disappear and send us flying into space?
How fast would the planets temperature drop to a dangerous level?
 
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If I wanted to make a rough estimate, I'd consider how much the temperature usually drops from daytime to nighttime. About 10 C, or 15-20 F? Then imagine the temperature continues dropping by that much every 12 hours.
 
In just wondering thought. I would think surface life forms would be gone relatively fast (including us). Plant life would also perish due to absence sunlight and cold.

However, if looking at broad spectrum life forms. I would think simple life forms would be around for a long time, perhaps several millions of years.

Sub terrain life forms would still have geothermal heat. Also I don't think the oceans would freeze to the bottom for the same reason. There may be several kilometers of ice but still still liquid H2O under it.

As an example the life that exists around geothermal vent in the deep ocean is quite robust. to both temperature and pressure.
The same thing being with bacteria that exist withing the deeper earth.

I guess the planet would eventually wonder off in the direction of Proxima Centuria.
However, I don't think it would be a totally dead planet for quite a long time.

But, I am not going to worry about the Sun just shutting down on a moments notice.:smile:
 
Waveform said:
In just wondering thought. I would think surface life forms would be gone relatively fast (including us). Plant life would also perish due to absence sunlight and cold.

However, if looking at broad spectrum life forms. I would think simple life forms would be around for a long time, perhaps several millions of years.

Sub terrain life forms would still have geothermal heat. Also I don't think the oceans would freeze to the bottom for the same reason. There may be several kilometers of ice but still still liquid H2O under it.

As an example the life that exists around geothermal vent in the deep ocean is quite robust. to both temperature and pressure.
The same thing being with bacteria that exist withing the deeper earth.

I guess the planet would eventually wonder off in the direction of Proxima Centuria.
However, I don't think it would be a totally dead planet for quite a long time.

But, I am not going to worry about the Sun just shutting down on a moments notice.:smile:

Obviously gravity would be affected...what would happen to the atmosphere...step by step?
 
Gravity on the Earth per se would not be effected. We would loose the solar gravitational attraction letting us go off is some arbitrary direction.

As the temperature started to drop, the coefficient of volumetric expansion would kick in and start to reduce the volume of atmospheric gases.
The surface pressure would rise slightly. As the temperature falls further each atmospheric gas will arrive at a pressure / temperature curve in which the gas will liquefy.

Ignoring trace gases, oxygen would liquefy depending on the pressure ≈ 180°C. Nitrogen would not be far behind at ≈ 195°C.
Some trace gases would drop much more in temperature before liquefying.

Perhaps there may for a time be enough geothermal heat escaping at the surface to vaporize surface liquid O2 / N only to condense and ‘rain’ back to the surface.

Generally, Earth would eventually take on the attributes and become much more like Titan or Europa.
 
I think Redbelly's estimate is probably good. If we start at 80F or 300K, and figure a 10K per 12 hour drop that's about 6.6% drop per day, giving 44F after one day, 10F after two, -20F after three, -51F after four. I don't know how you want to define a dangerous level, but I'd guess almost all humans would be dead within a week.

I wonder who would be best off for living the longest. At first the ISS popped into my head, but without the sun for solar power they wouldn't last long. Next I thought about a nuclear sub. They can go months without surfacing, and the ocean would probably retain heat for a while. If they set down on the floor somewhere where it isn't that deep and get as much geothermal heat as possible. I'd guess they'd last a few months until their food ran out. Scientist at the Antarctic research station would be somewhat prepared but as Waveform pointed out oxygen in the air would become liquid, so even if they could keep warm breathing would be the real issue. I can't think of any human that would be able to survive more than a year.
 

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