How long could life on Earth survive if the sun went out?

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The discussion centers on the hypothetical scenario of the sun disappearing and its implications for life on Earth, including the immediate effects on Earth's orbit and the potential survival of life forms. The conversation explores theoretical physics, gravitational effects, and the resilience of life in extreme conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if the sun were to disappear, Earth would go dark and life would end, while questioning how soon this would occur and the mechanics behind it.
  • One participant states that 8 minutes after the sun's disappearance, Earth would leave its orbit in the direction it was traveling at that moment.
  • Another participant argues that the scenario of the sun disappearing suddenly is not possible according to physics, implying that the questions that follow cannot be answered within that framework.
  • There is a proposal for a computer simulation to visualize the effects of the sun disappearing, with speculation that Earth would retain its moon and other planets would also maintain their orbits.
  • A participant references Newton's theory of gravity, suggesting that it implies an immediate response to the sun's disappearance, while also noting that Einstein's general relativity cannot address the scenario as it contradicts the theory.
  • Some participants discuss the nature of gravity, asserting that changes in gravitational influence propagate at the speed of light, and challenge the notion of instantaneous gravitational effects.
  • One participant introduces the idea that life could persist for millennia due to certain ecosystems, such as microbes near mid-ocean vents, which rely on chemical energy from geological processes.
  • Another participant mentions that the oceans would not freeze completely for hundreds of thousands of years, referencing an external source for further information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the implications of the sun's disappearance, particularly concerning the mechanics of gravity and the potential survival of life. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the feasibility of the scenario or its consequences.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the sudden disappearance of the sun and its implications, as well as the dependence on different gravitational theories. The discussion also highlights the complexity of tidal mechanics and the influence of geography on tidal patterns.

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if the sun disappears, the Earth would go dark and life would end ...

it would also go out of orbit

but how soon? immediately?

even the light takes 8 minutes to reach earth, as they are so far away...

if the whole mass of sun disappeared suddenly... would Earth go out of orbit immediately? if not how fast? and how does it work? would a further planet, say, saturn go out of orbit later for example?
 
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8 minutes after the sun disappeared, the now dark Earth would leave orbit in whatever direction it was traveling at that time.
 
ketanco said:
if the whole mass of sun disappeared suddenly
This is not possible according to physics so the questions which follow cannot be answered according to physics.
 
That would be a cool video to see, a computer simulation of 'poof', there goes the sun, and where do the planets go? I think the Earth would keep it's moon... probably all the other planets too?
 
ketanco said:
if the sun disappears, the Earth would go dark and life would end ...

it would also go out of orbit

but how soon? immediately?

even the light takes 8 minutes to reach earth, as they are so far away...

if the whole mass of sun disappeared suddenly... would Earth go out of orbit immediately? if not how fast? and how does it work? would a further planet, say, saturn go out of orbit later for example?
Newton's theory of gravity says that the answer is "immediately". But Newton's theory is built up around a formula that says that the force that one mass exerts on another depends only on the distance. So to apply Newton's theory to this problem is essentially to just assume that the answer is "immediately".

Einstein's theory of gravity (general relativity) can't answer the question, since there's no solution of Einstein's equation that describes a suddenly disappearing star. So the question contradicts the theory. You clearly can't use a theory to answer a question that contradicts that theory.
 
There's nothing instantaneous about gravity... gravity travels/changes at the spped of light. The moon is just where you see it to be, at the same time it's pulling on the tides
 
WhatIsGravity said:
There's nothing instantaneous about gravity... gravity travels/changes at the spped of light. The moon is just where you see it to be, at the same time it's pulling on the tides

not quite.
do some reading up on tides. There is a significant time lag ( tho not totally due to gravity)

IF your statement was correct, then there would be a high tide at YOUR location every time the moon was directly overhead ( highest point in the sky at your location).
But this doesn't happen.

It would happen IF the Earth had a completely water surface ( no dry land)

Dave
 
davenn said:
IF your statement was correct, then there would be a high tide at YOUR location every time the moon was directly overhead ( highest point in the sky at your location).
But this doesn't happen.

It would happen IF the Earth had a completely water surface ( no dry land)

Dave

The surface you're talking about is called a geoid, and my statement is correct. A lag in tides is due to geography, bays or isthmus or whatnot.
 
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ketanco said:
if the sun disappears, the Earth would go dark and life would end ...
Life might keep going for some millennia.
Microbes deep underground and life around mid-ocean vents depend on chemical energy. Much of this is driven by geological processes arising from radioactive decay and, perhaps, gravitational stresses.
The oceans would not freeze completely for hundreds of thousands of years. See http://www.popsci.com.au/science/if-the-sun-went-out-how-long-could-life-on-earth-survive,379953
 

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