Symmetry of the Universe: Why Doesn't 0 = cba?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of symmetry in the universe, questioning why the universe does not exhibit perfect symmetry. Participants explore the implications of symmetry from various perspectives, including theoretical and conceptual viewpoints.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the lack of perfect symmetry in the universe, using a hypothetical representation of the universe centered around '0'.
  • Another participant suggests that symmetry is a matter of perspective, noting that the universe appears homogeneous and isotropic, which could be interpreted as symmetric.
  • A further contribution emphasizes that symmetry is related to scale, indicating that while the universe may be homogeneous and isotropic on large scales (~100Mpc), it is not on smaller scales, suggesting that complete symmetry would preclude the existence of structures.
  • One participant challenges the initial question by asking why the universe should be symmetric, hinting at a deterministic view of the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of symmetry in the universe, with some arguing for a perspective-based understanding while others highlight the limitations of symmetry at different scales. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of symmetry and the unresolved nature of how scale affects the perception of symmetry in the universe.

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Why is it that our universe isn't perfectly symmetric? To demonstrate imagine that the 0 is the center of the universe:

abc 0 cba

Why doesn't the universe look like this?

Why isn't there another me on the equally opposite side of the universe doing the same thing as I am right now?
 
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Symmetry is a matter of perspective. If the universe is, as it appears to be, homogeneous and isotropic that sounds pretty symmetric to me.
 
Chronos said:
Symmetry is a matter of perspective. If the universe is, as it appears to be, homogeneous and isotropic that sounds pretty symmetric to me.

Symmetry is also related to scale. As Chronos says, the universe is homogeneous and isotropic on scales ~100Mpc, and definitely not so on scales smaller than that. If the universe were completely homogeneous and isotropic, it would be impossible for any kind of structure to exist, so an anthropic argument will lead to the conclusion that the universe cannot be completely symmetric.
 
toph.roshi said:
Why is it that our universe isn't perfectly symmetric? To demonstrate imagine that the 0 is the center of the universe:

abc 0 cba

Why doesn't the universe look like this?
Why do you think it should? Please elaborate.

(Sounds like a question involving a Newtonian Deterministic Universe)
 

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