System of ODE - comparison with paper

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The discussion revolves around a system of ordinary differential equations (ODEs) involving the functions ##A(r)## and ##B(r)##, which are components of a spinor. Participants explore the derivation of these equations, the nature of their solutions, and discrepancies between their findings and those presented in a referenced paper.

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  • One participant presents a system of ODEs and derives a second-order differential equation for ##A##, concluding that its solutions are modified Bessel functions of the first kind.
  • Another participant derives an equation for ##B##, noting that it does not match the modified Bessel equation unless ##\epsilon = 0##, suggesting a potential error in the referenced paper or a misreading of it.
  • A third participant confirms the earlier derivation of the equation for ##B## and provides a detailed substitution process that leads to a modified Bessel equation for ##A##, emphasizing the coupling between ##A## and ##B##.
  • A later reply acknowledges an error in the earlier derivation of the equation for ##B##, correcting it and showing that it can indeed lead to the modified Bessel equation, thus aligning with the findings of the referenced paper.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the referenced paper's results and the derivations of the equations. Some participants believe there may be errors in the paper, while others refine their own calculations, leading to different interpretations of the solutions.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the derivations, particularly concerning the values of ##\epsilon## and the implications of boundary conditions on the solutions. The dependence on the definitions of the modified Bessel functions and the specific forms of the equations adds complexity to the discussion.

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I have the following system of differential equations, for the functions ##A(r)## and ##B(r)##:

##A'-\frac{m}{r}A=(\epsilon+1)B##

and

##-B' -\frac{m+1}{r}B=(\epsilon-1)A##

##m## and ##\epsilon## are constants, with ##\epsilon<1##. The functions ##A## and ##B## are the two components of a spinor.
By solving the first equation for ##B##, and substituting in the other one, we get a second-order differential for ##A##.Its solutions are modified Bessel functions, and due to the boundary conditions that I have, only those of the first kind are admissable solutions. Having solved for ##A##, going back to the first equation, we can find ##B##. Consequently, ##B=\frac{1}{\epsilon+1}...##. However, in a paper I am studying, the solution to this system is given by ##A=(\epsilon-1)(I_{m})## and ##B=I_{m+1}##. I understand the modified Bessel function part, but the prefactors seem odd to me. Even if we start by solving for ##B## instead of ##A## in the beginning, still ##A## ought to be equal to ##\frac{1}{\epsilon-1} *...## as is given by the second equation. Does anyone have any idea how to reach this result?
 
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The equation I get for [itex]B[/itex] is [tex] r^2B'' + (1 + \epsilon m)rB' - ((m+1)^2 - \epsilon m(m+1) + (1 - \epsilon^2)r^2)B = 0[/tex] which is not the modified Bessel equation [tex] r^2I_\alpha'' + rI_\alpha' - (r^2 + \alpha^2)I_\alpha = 0[/tex] except when [itex]\epsilon = 0[/itex], and if [itex]\epsilon = 0[/itex] then [itex]A = I_m[/itex].

I agree that if you substitute [itex]B = I_{m+1}[/itex] into [tex] B' + \frac{m+1}r B = (1 - \epsilon) A[/tex] then you obtain [itex]I_m = (1 - \epsilon)A[/itex], so either the paper contains an error or you have misread it.
 
pasmith said:
The equation I get for [itex]B[/itex] is [tex] r^2B'' + (1 + \epsilon m)rB' - ((m+1)^2 - \epsilon m(m+1) + (1 - \epsilon^2)r^2)B = 0[/tex] which is not the modified Bessel equation [tex] r^2I_\alpha'' + rI_\alpha' - (r^2 + \alpha^2)I_\alpha = 0[/tex] except when [itex]\epsilon = 0[/itex], and if [itex]\epsilon = 0[/itex] then [itex]A = I_m[/itex].

I agree that if you substitute [itex]B = I_{m+1}[/itex] into [tex] B' + \frac{m+1}r B = (1 - \epsilon) A[/tex] then you obtain [itex]I_m = (1 - \epsilon)A[/itex], so either the paper contains an error or you have misread it.
How exactly did you derive this equation for ##B##?

From the first equation, you have that: ##B=\frac{1}{\epsilon+1}(A'-\frac{m}{r}A)##. When you substitute this expression into the second equation, you get:

## -(A''+\frac{m}{r^2}A-\frac{m}{r}A') -\frac{m+1}{r}(A'-\frac{m}{r}A)=(\epsilon+1)(\epsilon-1)A##.

Each term in parenthesis in the left-hand side, corresponds to each term of the left-hand side of the second equation, namely ##B'## and ##B##. Doing all the necessary calculations, you end up with this equation for the component #A#:

## A'' +\frac{1}{r}A' -\frac{m^2}{r^2}A=(1-\epsilon^2) A ## which is indeed the modified Bessel equation.

If you begin by solving the second equation for ##A## and then substitute back in the first one, you get a second-order differential equation for ##B## which is again modified Bessel equation, but of order ##m+1##. However you decide to solve it, you first have to solve either one of these two differential equations and then use the first or the second equation to solve for the other component, since ##A## and ##B## are coupled.
 
I appear to have made an error in obtaining the equation for [itex]B[/itex]; it should be [tex] r^2B'' + rB' - \left( (m + 1)^2 + (1 - \epsilon^2)r^2\right)B = 0[/tex] and now changing variables to [itex]x = (1 - \epsilon^2)^{1/2}r[/itex] indeed recovers the modified Bessel equation so that [itex]B(r) = I_{m+1}((1 - \epsilon^2)^{1/2}r)[/itex].

It then follows that [itex]A(r) = \frac{1}{1 - \epsilon} I_m((1 - \epsilon^2)^{1/2}r)[/itex].
 

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