System with big number of particles

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of solving the Schrödinger equation for systems with a very large number of particles, specifically as N approaches infinity. Participants explore methods and theories relevant to many-body systems in quantum mechanics and statistical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a Hamiltonian for a system with a large number of particles and questions methods for solving the Schrödinger equation in this context.
  • Another participant suggests exploring "Many-Body Physics" and references Landau's Fermi Liquid Theory as a starting point.
  • A different participant mentions familiarity with "Density Functional Theory" but expresses difficulty in understanding it fully.
  • Another participant introduces the topic of Statistical Physics and recommends a specific book that addresses many-body systems, although noting its out-of-print status.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific method for solving the Schrödinger equation for large N systems, and multiple approaches and theories are mentioned without agreement on their applicability or effectiveness.

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Participants reference various theories and methods, indicating a range of assumptions and levels of understanding regarding many-body systems and their treatment in quantum mechanics and statistical physics.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, statistical physics, and many-body systems may find the discussion relevant, particularly those exploring methods for handling large particle systems.

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System with "big" number of particles..

Let's suppose we have a Hamiltonian of the form:

[tex]H(q_1 ,q_2 ,q_3,..., q_N , p_1,p_2 ,p_3 , ..., p_N ) \Phi (q_1 ,q_2 ,q_3,..., q_N) = E_{n} \Phi (q_1 ,q_2 ,q_3,..., q_N )[/tex]

but the problem is that N is very "big" , let's say [tex]N \rightarrow \infty[/tex] , so to solve the Schrowedinguer equation becomes a very difficult task... is there a method to deal with this problem?...when you have for example a big number of particles inside a box (gas and similar) to solve SE and get the "Energies" and "Wave functions"?
 
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This is why there is such a subject matter called "Many-Body Physics", where the ground state Hamiltonian is a many-body system.

You probably want to start by looking up Landau's Fermi Liquid Theory.

Zz.
 
- Yes, probably..although it was more familiar for me the concept of "Density Functional Theory"...although i have watched it in "wikipedia"...but understand hardly nothing.
 
lokofer,

This is also the topic of Statistical Physics!
A book by https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0894645242/?tag=pfamazon01-20 really starts from the first chapters with this full expression!
Unfortunately, it is out of print.
I don't know of an equivalent, but there should be some.
Maybe you can find Balescu in your library.

Michel
 
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