Tension Force problem involving friction

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The problem involves a tension force acting on a sled with a box on top, considering the effects of static friction between the box and the sled. It is set in a context where the sled is being pulled across frictionless snow.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between tension force and static friction, questioning the conditions under which the box would slip off the sled. There are attempts to apply Newton's laws and calculate the maximum static friction force.

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The discussion has explored various interpretations of the problem, with participants providing hints and guidance on calculating maximum static friction and acceleration. There is no explicit consensus, but some productive direction has been established regarding the calculations needed to find the tension force.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the sled and box are accelerating together, and there is an emphasis on understanding the maximum static friction force before determining the tension in the rope.

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1. A horizontal rope pulls a 20kg wood sled across frictionless snow. A 5 kg wood box rides on the sled. The coefficient of static friction for wood on wood is 0.5. What is the largest tension force for which the box doesn't slip?

m = 5 kg box, 20 kg sled
mu = .5
T = ?

2.
F = ma
Ff= mu x n

3.
F = ma
a of box is zero since it is not moving

T - mu x (20 + 5) x (9.8) = 0
 
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chimbooze said:
a of box is zero since it is not moving
No, both sled and box are accelerating. (They're being pulled by a rope.)

Hint: What is the maximum static friction between box and sled?
 
I partially get it. If Tension force is greater than the static friction force, then the box will move. So just find friction force.

Ff = mu x n
Ff = .5(9.8)(5)

But that isn't the right answer.
 
chimbooze said:
But that isn't the right answer.
That's just one step toward the answer. Now that you know the maximum friction force on the box, what is the maximum acceleration that the sled can have without the box slipping?

To get the final answer, you'll need to apply Newton's 2nd law twice.
 
So:

sum of F = ma
Ff = ma
.5(9.8)(5) = 5(a)

a = 4.9

Tension of rope: T = ma

T = (10 + 5)(4.9)
T = 73.5

Thanks a lot. I got it correct.
 
Excellent!
 

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