Terminal Velocity: Speed Beyond the Universe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of terminal velocity in the context of the expanding universe, particularly focusing on the implications of space expansion versus the motion of mass. Participants explore the relationship between the speed of light, gravitational effects, and the nature of space-time during and after the Big Bang.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the expansion of the universe refers to the expansion of space itself rather than the motion of masses, questioning the existence of a known maximum expansion rate.
  • Others mention that during the inflationary period after the Big Bang, space expanded faster than the speed of light, with the current expansion rate described by the Hubble Constant.
  • A participant reflects on historical views of space-time and the evolution of ideas regarding the universe's expansion, suggesting that changes in space-time curvature may not be limited by the speed of light.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that gravitational effects are instantaneous and argues that quantum mechanics does not support the transmission of information faster than light, suggesting a need for further exploration of these concepts in relevant forums.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of space expansion, the speed of light, and the implications of gravitational effects, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the nature of gravity and the interpretation of quantum mechanics, which remain unresolved and depend on specific definitions and theories.

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Granted, the universe is expanding, granted the rate or speed is ever increasing, but what is the terminal velocity, knowing that anything with mass can not reach the speed of light?
 
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The 'expansion of the universe' refers to the expansion is of space itself and not the motion of masses (e.g., galaxies) within the universe. Perhaps someone can correct me here, but I don't think there is a known maximum expansion rate (considering we only recently discovered that the expansion is accelerating). During the inflationary period immediately following the Big Bang event, space expanded much faster than the speed of light. The current expansion rate is expressed by the Hubble Constant.
 
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Phobos said:
The 'expansion of the universe' refers to the expansion is of space itself and not the motion of masses (e.g., galaxies) within the universe. Perhaps someone can correct me here, but I don't think there is a known maximum expansion rate (considering we only recently discovered that the expansion is accelerating). During the inflationary period immediately following the Big Bang event, space expanded much faster than the speed of light. The current expansion rate is expressed by the Hubble Constant.

I'm no expert, just an amateur that watches shows like Nova and reads posts like this, but when I was 12 years old (and I'm on;y 33), people were still fiddling with the idea that the space-time was static except for warping caused by gravity, there were still people arguing that Black Holes don't exists, and many people thought the universe expanding or collapsing was only an expression of inertia vs. gravity.

Then Hawking started talking about the space-time structure changing, and more recently, that the universe is actually expanding, which if true is proof that the "fabric" of the universe is expanding, not just the matter within it, 'cause matter don't just accelerate for no good reason.

I doen't know of any reason to say that no-matter realities, such as changes in the space-time curvature are limited to the speed of light. To the contrary, the force gravity seems to instantaneous (correct me if I'm wrong) and this mind boggling "sppoky action at a distance" of quantum physics seems to transmit "information" faster than the speed of light over, supposedly, infinite distance (I still think they need to stop calling it "information" which makes it sound like the electrons are talking to each other)
 
string querry said:
I doen't know of any reason to say that no-matter realities, such as changes in the space-time curvature are limited to the speed of light. To the contrary, the force gravity seems to instantaneous (correct me if I'm wrong) and this mind boggling "sppoky action at a distance" of quantum physics seems to transmit "information" faster than the speed of light over, supposedly, infinite distance (I still think they need to stop calling it "information" which makes it sound like the electrons are talking to each other)

These are not correct. Current theories on gravity does not make it instantaneous. The EPR-type experiment has been exhaustively discussed in the QM forum and has been clearly described to not transmit information faster than the speed of light.

Please do a search in the relevant forums to correct your understanding on these.

Zz.
 

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