The adjective "finite" applied to algebraic structures

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The discussion revolves around the application of the adjective "finite" in algebraic structures, particularly in relation to groups and fields. Participants explore whether "finite" can imply meanings such as "finitely generated" or "finite dimensional," rather than strictly indicating a finite set of elements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that "finite" typically refers to a set with a finite number of elements, while others argue that in certain contexts, such as "finite algebra," it may refer to finitely generated structures.
  • One participant expresses concern that calling a finitely generated algebra simply "finite" could be misleading, as it may imply a finite set of elements rather than a finite set of generators.
  • Another participant questions whether "finite algebra" should be interpreted as a finite set or if it can also refer to finitely generated or finite dimensional algebras.
  • References to external sources, such as the finite lattice representation problem, are provided to illustrate the ambiguity surrounding the term "finite" in algebraic contexts.
  • There is a suggestion that "finite dimensional" might be a more appropriate term in some cases, but uncertainty remains about the implications of "finite" in relation to lattice orders and quotient algebras.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the meaning of "finite" in algebraic contexts, with multiple competing views and interpretations remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity of the term "finite" and its dependence on specific definitions and contexts, as well as the unresolved nature of mathematical implications regarding finite lattices and algebras.

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Are there many examples in algebra where the adjective "finite" (by itself) means "finitely generated" or "finite dimensional" or finite in some other sense than being a finite set?
The adjective "finite" applied to many algebraic structures (e.g. groups, fields) indicates a set with a finite number of elements. However, (as I understand it) "finite algebra" refers to a finitely generated algebra. Are there other examples where "finite" means finite in some respect but not necessarily finite as a set?
 
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Stephen Tashi said:
Summary:: Are there many examples in algebra where the adjective "finite" (by itself) means "finitely generated" or "finite dimensional" or finite in some other sense than being a finite set?

The adjective "finite" applied to many algebraic structures (e.g. groups, fields) indicates a set with a finite number of elements. However, (as I understand it) "finite algebra" refers to a finitely generated algebra. Are there other examples where "finite" means finite in some respect but not necessarily finite as a set?
I wouldn't call a finitely generated algebra just finite. This is misleading, as it could mean that the set of elements of the algebra is finite. There is a reason why it is called finitely generated, in which case the set of generators is finite. So in any case there is some finite set if we use this adjective, be it generators, basis elements, or the entire set.

Your question doesn't make much sense to me.
 
I assume it should better be "finite dimensional" in both cases, lattice and algebra. But since I have never heard, nor do I have an imagination of a finite lattice, it could as well be finite sets. In that case it will inevitably imply a finite field.

The quotation 'Intervals in subgroup lattices of finite groups.' indicates finite sets. We have two different words, Gitter = lattice and Verband = lattice order. So it seems we are talking about lattice orders here. The question is thus whether such a (finite) lattice (order) can be written as a quotient algebra. Now as a quotient it could mean finite algebras or finite dimensional algebras, because the quotient is a set of equivalence classes and the word finite alone does not indicate what is canceled out. I assume, however, that actually finite algebras (finite set of elements) are meant, since otherwise we would say finite dimensional or finite generated. I would search for and look into the original paper in this case to be clear.
 

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