The atmosphere of titan and mars

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The discussion centers on the atmospheric characteristics of Titan and Mars, exploring why Titan has a significantly higher atmospheric pressure despite its lower mass compared to Mars. Participants examine factors influencing atmospheric retention, including distance from the sun, geological activity, temperature, and atmospheric composition.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Titan's greater distance from the sun may help it retain its atmosphere better than Mars.
  • Others suggest that Titan's geological activity, such as cryovolcanism, allows it to replenish its atmosphere, while Mars is largely geologically inactive.
  • One participant highlights that Titan's colder temperatures contribute to its ability to maintain a thicker atmosphere, as hotter atmospheres are more susceptible to erosion by solar wind.
  • Another participant emphasizes the differences in atmospheric composition between Titan and Mars, arguing that they are not directly comparable and that there is limited data on the original atmospheric conditions of both bodies.
  • Some participants express uncertainty regarding the historical atmospheric conditions of Mars and Titan, indicating that theories exist but are not definitively established.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the factors that influence atmospheric retention on Titan and Mars, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

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Participants acknowledge the limitations of current knowledge regarding the original atmospheric conditions of Mars and Titan, as well as the dependence on various assumptions about geological activity and atmospheric composition.

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If Mars' mass is .1 Earths and the pressure of its atmosphere is .6 kPa then why is Titan's atmosphere 147 kpa when its mass is .02 Earths? Apparently mass is not much of a factor in determining a planet's atmosphere.
 
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robertjford80 said:
If Mars' mass is .1 Earths and the pressure of its atmosphere is .6 kPa then why is Titan's atmosphere 147 kpa when its mass is .02 Earths? Apparently mass is not much of a factor in determining a planet's atmosphere.

Titan is a lot further away from the sun, so it can keep an atmosphere more easily than Mars can. Titan is also still geologically active so it can replenish its atmosphere through cryovolcanism, whereas (for the most part) Mars is geologically dead, with the only potential geological activity being whatever is responsible for the seasonal methane release.
 
neat. i had to look up cryovolcanism

A cryovolcano (colloquially known as an ice volcano) is a volcano that erupts volatiles such as water, ammonia or methane, instead of molten rock.[1] Collectively referred to as cryomagma or ice-volcanic melt,[1] these substances are usually liquids and form plumes, but can also be in vapour form. After eruption, cryomagma condenses to a solid form when exposed to the very low surrounding temperature. Cryovolcanoes form on icy moons, and possibly on other low-temperature astronomical objects (e.g., Kuiper belt objects).
 
Titan is also much colder than Mars or Earth, which allows it to retain more if it's atmosphere. Hotter atmospheres puff up more and are more easily eroded by the solar wind.
 
thanks, good to know
 
robertjford80 said:
If Mars' mass is .1 Earths and the pressure of its atmosphere is .6 kPa then why is Titan's atmosphere 147 kpa when its mass is .02 Earths? Apparently mass is not much of a factor in determining a planet's atmosphere.

Titan and Mars have vastly different compositions, so they're not really comparable. We've very little data on what original mass of atmosphere might've existed on either object. We don't actually know if Mars had much more atmosphere than what we see today, and we don't know if Titan was always covered in such a thick atmosphere. We have many theories, but we go visit such worlds to refine our understanding.
 

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