.the blue from Tuesday does it have to be connected with the red of Thursday?

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The discussion revolves around a combinatorial problem involving dress choices for a character named Adriana over five days, with specific restrictions on which dresses can be worn on each day. Participants explore different methods to calculate the number of valid dress combinations while adhering to these restrictions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the restrictions on dress choices for each day and questions the connection between the blue dress on Tuesday and the red dress on Thursday.
  • Another participant suggests that connecting the Tuesday and Thursday choices may lead to incorrect counting of possibilities, emphasizing the need for a tree structure to represent the choices more effectively.
  • A participant proposes a hybrid approach that combines graphing and combinatorial methods to handle the problem, noting the importance of considering the order of dress choices.
  • One participant confirms the correctness of the tree approach and introduces an alternative method using a generating polynomial to find the number of combinations, stating that the coefficient of interest is 18.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best method to solve the problem, with some favoring a tree structure and others suggesting a generating polynomial approach. There is no consensus on a single method, and the discussion remains open to various interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem due to the restrictions on dress choices and the need to avoid counting the same dress more than once. There are also considerations regarding the order of choices and potential cases where no valid dress remains.

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Hey! :)
Adriana will be examinated in $5$ subjects, one at each day.She has $5$ dresses in different colors: red-blue-green-white-yellow. On Monday she does not want to wear the blue or green one.

On Tuesday, she does not wear the red or green one.

On Wednesday,she does not wear the blue, white or yellow one.

On Friday ,she does not wear the white one.

With how many different ways can Adriana be dressed,if she does not want to wear the same dress more than once?

I tried to solve it using this diagram:

View attachment 2582But..the blue from Tuesday does it have to be connected with the red of Thursday?? :confused:
 

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Yes, this might not have been the best way to do it, because it makes it impossible to actually count the number of possibilities from the graph (or at least, it doesn't help you count them faster). Indeed, you need to connect (Tue, Blue) with (Thu Red) otherwise you would exclude the possibility (Wed, Green), (Mon, White), (Tue, Blue), (Thu, Red), but at the same time, if you do connect them then it looks like you are counting the (Wed, Green), (Mon, Red), (Tue, Blue), (Thu, Red) possibility which should not be counted because she can't wear the red dress twice.

Your graph should probably look more like a tree, where each choice of dress color for each day splits off into independent possibilities for the next day. Then you just need to count the number of paths in the tree (which, as you know, is the same as the number of leaves in the tree) and you are done. It might seem like the tree would be huge, but since she can't wear the same dress twice the possibilities are actually pretty limited.

Also I think the order matters here - there are combinations where she will have used all of the available dresses on the previous days and will have nothing to wear on that day (that she will want to wear). Since I assume turning up at the exam naked is not an option, you will need to recognize and handle these cases. I think a hybrid approach where you do part of the problem (say, three days out of five) with a graph and handle the remaining cases combinatorically might be a good approach.
 
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Bacterius said:
Yes, this might not have been the best way to do it, because it makes it impossible to actually count the number of possibilities from the graph (or at least, it doesn't help you count them faster). Indeed, you need to connect (Tue, Blue) with (Thu Red) otherwise you would exclude the possibility (Wed, Green), (Mon, White), (Tue, Blue), (Thu, Red), but at the same time, if you do connect them then it looks like you are counting the (Wed, Green), (Mon, Red), (Tue, Blue), (Thu, Red) possibility which should not be counted because she can't wear the red dress twice.

Your graph should probably look more like a tree, where each choice of dress color for each day splits off into independent possibilities for the next day. Then you just need to count the number of paths in the tree (which, as you know, is the same as the number of leaves in the tree) and you are done. It might seem like the tree would be huge, but since she can't wear the same dress twice the possibilities are actually pretty limited.

Also I think the order matters here - there are combinations where she will have used all of the available dresses on the previous days and will have nothing to wear on that day (that she will want to wear). Since I assume turning up at the exam naked is not an option, you will need to recognize and handle these cases. I think a hybrid approach where you do part of the problem (say, three days out of five) with a graph and handle the remaining cases combinatorically might be a good approach.
I tried it know with a tree:

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Is it right or have I done something wrong?
Each level of a tree represent a day..

So,are there $18$ different ways that Adriana can be dressed? (Thinking)
 

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That looks right! :D

Here's an alternative way.
The generating polynomial is:
$$(r+w+y)(b+w+y)(r+g)(r+b+g+w+y)(r+b+g+y)$$
Since we're interested in different dresses for each day, we'll look at the coefficient of $bgrwy$.
See W|A, where you can see that the coefficient is $18$. (Cool)
 
I like Serena said:
That looks right! :D

Here's an alternative way.
The generating polynomial is:
$$(r+w+y)(b+w+y)(r+g)(r+b+g+w+y)(r+b+g+y)$$
Since we're interested in different dresses for each day, we'll look at the coefficient of $bgrwy$.
See W|A, where you can see that the coefficient is $18$. (Cool)

Great!Thank you very much! (Clapping)
 

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