The Controversy Surrounding the Definition of Logarithm for Complex Numbers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition of the logarithm for complex numbers, particularly focusing on the properties and implications of different definitions. Participants explore the validity of certain logarithmic identities and the consequences of using various branches of the complex logarithm.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that $$\log i + \log(-1+i) \neq \log(i(-1+i))$$ and $$\log i^2 = 2\log i$$, emphasizing the need for careful consideration of definitions.
  • It is noted that the standard definition of the complex logarithm is $$\log z = \log |z| + i\arg z$$, with $\arg z$ defined in the interval $(-\pi,\pi]$.
  • Some participants mention that many logarithmic rules familiar from real analysis do not apply to complex logarithms.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between the principal argument ($Arg(z)$) and the general argument ($arg(z)$), with some participants suggesting that the principal argument should be denoted with a capital 'A'.
  • One participant challenges the standard definition of the logarithm for complex variables, claiming it leads to erroneous computations in certain integrals, and expresses a desire for a calm discussion on the topic.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the standard definition, suggesting that using a branch cut for $z>0$ leads to inconsistencies when approaching integrals from different directions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of the standard definition of the complex logarithm. There is no consensus on whether the standard definition is correct or if it leads to erroneous results, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the properties of logarithms in the complex domain can lead to different results depending on the chosen branch cut and definitions, which may affect the validity of certain identities.

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In the context of complex number, how to prove that

1. $$log i +log(-1+i) \neq log i(-1+i)$$
2. $$log i^2 =2log i$$
 
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suvadip said:
In the context of complex number, how to prove that

1. $$log i +log(-1+i) \neq log i(-1+i)$$
2. $$log i^2 =2log i$$

It depends how you depend a complex logarithm. The standard definition is, for $z\not = 0$,
$$ \log z = \log |z| + i\arg z$$
Where $\arg z$ angle in interval $(-\pi,\pi]$.

Note, many rules for logarithms you are used to need not work for complex logarithms.
 
ThePerfectHacker said:
It depends how you depend a complex logarithm. The standard definition is, for $z\not = 0$,
$$ \log z = \log |z| + i\arg z$$
Where $\arg z$ angle in interval $(-\pi,\pi]$.

Note, many rules for logarithms you are used to need not work for complex logarithms.

You mean the principle logarithm ? It is actually customary to denote that with capital A for the argument hence $Arg(z) \in (-\pi , \pi ]$.
 
suvadip said:
In the context of complex number, how to prove that

1. $$log i +log(-1+i) \neq log i(-1+i)$$
2. $$log i^2 =2log i$$

Generally we have the following

$$\log(z_1 z_2) = \log(z_1)+\log(z_2) $$ where $\log$ defines the multiple valued function

$$\log(z) = \ln|z|+i arg(z) $$

The proof is not difficult especially when we prove that

$$arg(z_1 z_2)= arg(z_1) +arg(z_2)$$

But remember that

$$Arg(z_1 z_2) \neq Arg(z_1) +Arg(z_2) $$

Can you give counter examples ?
 
$ \text{Log} (z_{1}z_{2}) = \text{Log}(z_{2}) + \text{Log}(z_{2})$ iff $ - \pi < \text{Arg}(z_{1}) + \text{Arg} (z_{2}) \le \pi$

$\text{Log}(z_{1}^{n}) = n \text{Log}(z_{1})$ iff $ -\frac{\pi}{n} < \text{Arg}(z_{1}) \le \frac{\pi}{n} $
 
The so called 'standard definition' of the logarithm of a complex variable z is, in my opinion of course, wrong and the reason of that is explained in the following example... http://mathhelpboards.com/calculus-10/improper-integral-involving-ln-6103.html#post28032

... where the application of such a definition conducts to an erroneous computation of a definite integral which is solvable with elementary method. I realize however that that is a 'delicate' question and it must be discussed 'with calm and reason'... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
The so called 'standard definition' of the logarithm of a complex variable z is, in my opinion of course, wrong and the reason of that is explained in the following example... http://mathhelpboards.com/calculus-10/improper-integral-involving-ln-6103.html#post28032

... where the application of such a definition conducts to an erroneous computation of a definite integral which is solvable with elementary method. I realize however that that is a 'delicate' question and it must be discussed 'with calm and reason'... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$

I don't understand how is that definition questionable. If we use the branch cut for $z>0$ then having the definition

[math]Log(z) = \ln |z|+i Arg(z) [/math] where $z \in (0,2\pi ] $

Then approaching the integral from above gives $Log(z) = \ln (x) $ and $Log(z) = \ln (x) +2\pi i $ when approaching it from below .
 

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