Falling of America: The Day Our Dreams Were Lost in Nov 2000

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The discussion centers around the implications of the 2000 U.S. presidential election and its aftermath, particularly focusing on perceptions of democracy, national unity, and the political climate in America. Participants express a range of emotions and viewpoints regarding the election's legitimacy and its consequences, including references to significant events like 9/11 and the Patriot Act.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that the election marked a profound loss of democracy and national spirit, suggesting that the events leading to 9/11 could have been avoided if Gore had won.
  • Another participant counters that the election demonstrated a healthy democracy, citing high voter turnout and the electoral confirmation of Bush's presidency as evidence of public support.
  • Several participants emphasize Bush's popular vote majority, claiming it was the largest since Reagan and asserting that he won decisively, contrasting it with the previous election's narrow margin.
  • One participant expresses a cynical view of American democracy, suggesting that while the system may not be a failure, the citizens themselves are to blame for their political situation.
  • Another participant offers a more optimistic perspective, stating that Bush's presidency is limited by term limits, implying a future change in leadership.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express significant disagreement regarding the interpretation of the election's outcome and its implications for democracy in the U.S. Some view the election as a failure of democracy, while others assert it was a legitimate expression of the electorate's will. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various political events and sentiments, but the discussion lacks a clear resolution on the legitimacy of the election and its broader implications for American democracy.

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In November 2000 democracy and our country as we knew fell away forever. On that day we gave up more than just a possition, we gave up our unity, our spirit and the future of any possible hope. 911 would have never happened for the vision which tormented for me for 8 years was that day. Afterward I realized that that day would have never happened if Gore was indeed elected the president. It was a transendetal experience. What you believe is indifferent. With the advent of 911 we have the patriot act, an act which is not for the protection of the american people, but which will be used as all things are used against the american people by the rich, the powerfull, and those who have something to gain. Abuse of system is part of life, but never in history has it been so blatent.

The flag was burned before us with a smirk and a chuckle. The sons and daughers who gave and give up their lives disappear into the dust. And the memory of their sacrafice becomes for naught.

You will pay Mr President and all those who assisted. It was more than an election that was stolen, it was the national spirit, it was hope, it was the future. Even if those things were in an unalterable path, you took away from many the mist which clouded the picture for them. It is more apparent even for the unconscious as so many exist on this forum and through out the world. The transgreesions against the people will be known for now they have eyes to see, even if it be clouded by the barrage of purposeful information weaken their logic. You cannot generate enough of it now. If the people only knew all the truth it would be like being a fish and slowly getting the hook ripped out of your belly that had been swallowed to deep. This pain would only be far greater. For your eyes would be held wide open as you were a witness to all that has been done. All for money, all for power. You are less than dust. For this empire or dream of an empire of the ants that you want to create is nothing. Your vision is as flawed as your spirit. Your claims of god are false, and in gods name you will bring forth the prophesy of the distant past. What I have spoken to few was the words in my mind as the vision came forth that day. Yes my friend it is that time. Even the devil may turn from his ways, for the river is neither good or bad. I leave with this hope of single grain, even if it must be cast into the wind.
 
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Democracy fell away for ever?? Don't talk ****e. The US have just held a massive election with voter interest and participation at a record high. How is this a lack of democracy? Bush's position was confirmed by the electorate. The people spoke. If you don't like the result - tough - you are in a minority, which is how democracy works!

If you want to talk about failings in Democracy, look at N Korea, Zimbabwe, Iran, Saudi or anyone of many many countries around the world. Moan at them instead!
 
Just so you know, Bush just won by the most decisive majority since Ronald Reagan. He is the first person to be elected president with the popular vote in his favor since his father beat Dukakis. He legitmately and decisively won.
 
Just like the first time.
 
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Just like the first time.

He won by 3.5 million votes, the largest POPULAR majority since Reagan. Clinton never even had over 50% of the popular vote. Bush got 51%. You can be bitter and deny it all you want, liberals are good at that, but THIS TIME he definitively won, and not by a questionably margin of 537 votes like last time.
 
You can't say that American democracy is a failure, but you can say that Americans are failures.
 
look at the bright side- bush can't be reelected. 4 more years and we'll be free of his tyranny.
 

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