The electrical work needed to produce a mole of lead in a chemical reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electrical work required to produce a mole of lead in a chemical reaction involving a lead-acid battery. Participants explore the relationship between Gibbs Free Energy and electrical work, as well as the implications of enthalpy in this context. The scope includes conceptual understanding and application of thermodynamic principles.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the electrical work is equal to the change in Gibbs Free Energy (ΔG), proposing that Welec = Gfinal - Ginitial.
  • Another participant counters that the work is calculated using enthalpy, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the relationship between Gibbs Free Energy and enthalpy in this context.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to understand the equation ΔG = nFE0cell and suggests calculating ΔG using tabulated values for the reactants.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the relevance of electron transfer in the context of a Thermal Physics course, focusing instead on the conceptual meaning of Gibbs Free Energy.
  • Another participant interprets Gibbs Free Energy as the energy available to do work in a system, contributing to the conceptual discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between Gibbs Free Energy and electrical work, with no consensus reached on the correct interpretation or calculation method. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conceptual implications of Gibbs Free Energy in this specific context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between Gibbs Free Energy and enthalpy, as well as the relevance of electron transfer in the context of thermal physics. These aspects remain unresolved.

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Homework Statement


Consider the charging of a lead-acid batter at atmospheric pressure and room room temperature.

2PbSO4 +2H2O -> Pb + PbO2 + 4H+ + 2SO42-

How much electrical work must be provided to produce one mole of lead?

The Attempt at a Solution



We're given the values of Gibbs Free Energy and Enthalpy for each of the reactants.

I was doing a past paper for a uni exam and I came across that question. Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the electric work equal to the \DeltaG?

So Welec = Gfinal - Ginitial?

I'm fairly sure that's the case but the answer shows it calculated as
W = Hfinal - Hinitial

Again, correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that give compression/expansion work?
 
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Hello there,

I am unsure about how your solution addressed this question, but this is what I would do.

1) You need to understand this equation: ∆G = nFE0cell.

2) You can calculate ∆G for the entire reaction using tabulated values of ∆G for each reactant. That is, ∆G for the reaction = ∆G products - ∆G reactants.

3) The chemical equation is in fact a redox equation. Find the number of electrons transferred in that equation to determine the value of n for the above equation.

4) Now that you know ∆G, n, and F (This is Faraday's constant, which can be found online or in your textbook), you can find E0cell by rearranging the above equation.

I hope that this helps! Feel free to write back!
 
Thanks for the reply.

Not sure why my topic was moved here though because the question came up in a Thermal Physics course, so we're not particularly interested in electron transfer or what have you.

We were given the values of Gibbs Free Energy and Enthalpy - the change was easily calculated. My question was more a conceptual one - namely, what exactly a change in the Gibbs Free Energy means physically. I'm now confident that it is the change in electrical work (or any work that isn't compression/expansion) and that the solution to the exam must have been incorrect.
 
Hello there,

Unfortunately, I'm not an expert in the area of thermal physics. I have always interpreted Gibbs Free Energy as the amount of energy available to do work in a system.

Does that help?
 

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