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[hughes johnson]

Yep, there are all sorts of ways you can justify your denial.

Yes. That's why this is called a "forum".

 

[selfAdjoint]

Yes. That's why this is called a "forum".

Quite so. But the fact that different opinions can be posted does not mean that all of them are correct. And your views of unemployment are selective, and evidence of cognitive dissonance, if not denial.

 

[russ_watters]

You do know that the definition of unemployment was changed a few years ago, to make the numbers less scary. The people who weren't actively looking for jobs, who had been counted as unemployed before, were now dropped. So to compare, I've seen 5.5% unemployment under the new system equated to 7% under the old one. As for 6% being full employment, that of course is what employers like to believe, but nobody else does.

I've never heard that before. Do you have a source?

Quite so. But the fact that different opinions can be posted does not mean that all of them are correct. And your views of unemployment are selective, and evidence of cognitive dissonance, if not denial.

Speaking of selective - Adam's one year data from three years ago is about the very definition of selctive. I don't think its denial though...

 

[russ_watters]

That link does not adjust for inflation.

Scroll further: there are two charts, the first in "real" dollars, the second in inflation adjusted dollars.

 

[Adam]

For recent figures, try: http://www.economist.com/countries/USA/index.cfm

 

[hughes johnson]

...your views of unemployment are selective, and evidence of cognitive dissonance, if not denial.

My views have no effect on the situation. I am unable to find help. There is a labor shortage. Is this somehow difficult for you to understand? What is it that you don't get? Are the numbers confusing to you? Do you know what a labor shortage is? Do you have some agenda that is clouding your perception of the facts? Do you know what supply and demand means? I can't imagine why you are having such difficulty with this. Is there something that I can do to help you understand better?

 

[selfAdjoint]

Hah, you are unable to find help and I am unable to find a job! Maybe we should get together, except I wouldn't want to work for you and you wouldn't hire me on a bet.

 

[Dissident Dan]

Scroll further: there are two charts, the first in "real" dollars, the second in inflation adjusted dollars.

Oops. Thanks for the correction. It shows a downturn from 2000-2001. Of course, I can't say what the causes are.

I hope this thread doesn't turn into a thread about the president's handling of the economy.

I'm very interested in the idea of getting automation to the point at which people have to very little work.

 

[russ_watters]

Oops. Thanks for the correction. It shows a downturn from 2000-2001. Of course, I can't say what the causes are.

Yes, there was a recession at about that time, a corresponding rise in unemployment and therefore a corresponding drop in income levels. Generally, every recession has such a drop (or at least a leveling off).

The difference in the 2000-2001 recession was 9/11 hitting just as the recovery was starting . That ended up severely slowing the recovery and led to the "jobless recovery" we hear so much about. But that's over now: unemployment was 5.6% in April, the 8th straigh month it decreased.

 

[revelator]

hughes johnson: You may have mentioned it earlier, and if I've missed it my apologies. But what kind of business are you in, I'm just curious?