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pig said:What are the words in Croatian? That's where I'm from.
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The internet is destroying grammar
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The discussion revolves around the impact of the internet on grammar, with participants sharing their views on grammatical rules, common errors, and personal experiences related to language use. The scope includes humorous takes on grammar, vocabulary quizzes, and reflections on writing and spelling.
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- Some participants express concern that the internet is leading to a decline in grammatical standards, citing numerous errors in posts.
- Humorous grammar rules are shared, with some participants questioning the validity or relevance of these rules.
- One participant mentions a personal pet peeve regarding the misuse of "loose" instead of "lose," highlighting the prevalence of this error among educated individuals.
- A participant reflects on their past experiences with grammar classes and expresses a desire to refresh their knowledge.
- There is a debate about whether certain quizzes are focused on grammar or vocabulary, with differing opinions on their educational value.
- Some participants acknowledge their own spelling and grammar mistakes, sharing personal anecdotes about their writing habits and experiences with proofreading.
- One participant argues that many traditional grammar rules are outdated and often broken by good writers.
- Another participant humorously critiques a misspelling, indicating a sensitivity to language accuracy.
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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the relevance and application of grammatical rules. Some view certain rules as outdated, while others uphold them. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the impact of the internet on grammar.
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Some statements reflect personal preferences and experiences rather than universally accepted grammar rules. The discussion includes varying interpretations of what constitutes grammar versus vocabulary.
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You may complain about ambiguity, affectively, but that won't effect any changes. The affect of ambiguity is happy-go-lucky. This effectively affects all of us here at PF. This is not just a notion I have affected. Affectation is not effective. The effects of an affected affect affect affective responses ([i.e.] they effectively affect the affect of those affected).plover said:
Affect aside, the ambiguity caused by confusing the words "affect" and "effect" can affect the clarity of expository prose in posts about physics. Consider: "Will that affect a change?" This might mean what it says or it might mean "Will this effect a change?" You can't really tell.
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The Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary has a particularly long usage commentary for the transitive verb effect:
"usage The confusion of the verbs affect and effect is not only quite common but has a long history.Effect was used in place of 3affect as early as 1494 and in place of 2affect as early as 1652. If you think you want to use the verb effect but are not certain, check the definitions in this dictionary. The noun affect is sometimes mistakenly used for effect. Except when your topic is psychology, you will seldom need the noun affect."
The noun affect they are referring to is accented on the first syllable, and is primarily used in psychology and psychiatry to refer to emotion, or the outward appearance of emotion. A patient with a "blunted affect", for example, is one who seems pathologically lacking in emotion.
"The Edison Affect", therefore, would refer to the expression on Edison's face, not the thermiotic effect he discovered.
It was amusing when, once or twice, I've seen references to "the Edison affect", or "the Einstein affect".
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Quote from Mr Bumble in Oliver Twist.
Get the Grammar Gestapo on that.
Get the Grammar Gestapo on that.
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The Bob said:Skeuir Lanimgo
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That's definitely not Croatian
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pig said:That's definitely not Croatian
Well a Croatian told me it was. Never mind.
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Destroy is a value judgment, and one that I do not agree with. As well, I do not know why you cast blame on the Internet.Evo said:
Some of these are still considered rules. Others remain rules only in the minds of prescriptive purists.
For example, the evolution of adverbs into adjectives, such as correctly into correct, is not the fault of the Internet. Neither is it the destruction of grammar.Monique said:
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