The James Webb Space Telescope construction

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The discussion revolves around the construction and progress of the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST), including its technical specifications, management challenges, and future missions. Participants share articles, links to webcams, and insights into the telescope's design and expected capabilities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants share links to articles and webcams tracking the JWST's construction progress.
  • There are questions about the frequency of updates from the webcams, with some suggesting they provide images approximately once per minute.
  • Participants express excitement about the JWST's launch and its potential to detect distant astronomical phenomena.
  • There is speculation about the materials used in the telescope's construction, with some suggesting tellurium and others confirming beryllium as the primary material for the mirrors.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the management of the JWST project, with references to significant cost overruns and delays compared to initial estimates.
  • Discussion includes the future mission of the Wide Field Infrared Survey Telescope (WFIRST) and its intended collaboration with JWST for cosmological studies and exoplanet detection.
  • Some participants reflect on the historical context of large projects, drawing parallels to ancient constructions and their management challenges.
  • Technical details about the deployment of the JWST's sunshield are shared, highlighting the complexity of the operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of excitement and skepticism regarding the JWST's management and future capabilities. There is no consensus on the effectiveness of the project's management, with some participants agreeing on the challenges faced while others remain hopeful for future missions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the historical context of project management in large-scale endeavors, suggesting that the JWST's challenges are not unique. There are unresolved questions about the specifics of the telescope's construction materials and the implications of its management history.

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1oldman2 said:
Here is a link to the webcams they have installed in the facility, you can follow their progress on a couple of cams. http://www.jwst.nasa.gov/webcam.html

do the still images just get updated occasionally ?
as the timers on the cams are not running ... or do I need some other viewer software ?
 
davenn said:
do the still images just get updated occasionally ?
as the timers on the cams are not running ... or do I need some other viewer software ?
It seams to be about one shot per minute if I'm not mistaken.
 
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1oldman2 said:
Next in line after JWST

Let's hope this one isn't plagued by poor management.
 
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Couple of screen shots of the progress.
JWST.PNG
JWST2.PNG
 
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Are those panels made out of tellurium? Looks big... Might detect aliens. :)
 
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Sweet! Can't wait to see this telescope launch.
 
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Zephyr007 said:
Sweet! Can't wait to see this satellite launch.
Take a look at the link in post #5, I believe the WFIRST and JWST are meant to be used in tandem on certain projects involving imaging the very early universe. :thumbup: I just hope I live long enough to see the results.
Upon closer reading I see that the primary purpose of WFIRST will be as a Kepler replacement/upgrade for exoplanet hunting, however it will be teamed up with JWST also for imaging the very earliest universe possible.
 
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Borg said:


:thumbup::thumbup: That's two thumbs up on the post. I read that the mechanical deployment will be going through very intensive testing as that is the one aspect they cannot simulate in their cold vacuum chambers due to size, they have to get it right first time out of the box.
 
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1oldman2 said:
Upon closer reading I see that the primary purpose of WFIRST will be as a Kepler replacement/upgrade for exoplanet hunting, however it will be teamed up with JWST also for imaging the very earliest universe possible.

The primary goal of WFIRST is cosmology. It will use three of the major tests, baryon acoustic oscillations, weak lensing and supernovae. It will complete at 2-3000 square degree survey with both near infrared slitless spectroscopy and deep near infrared imaging. It was originally a dark energy mission but it's slightly oddly placed now with the major change in design caused by the use of the NRO telescope. It also has major overlap with Euclid which will fly earlier.

Exoplanets were a secondary consideration, it's certainly not a Kepler replacement. The two exoplanet major projects will be a very high contrast coronograph to image large planets and a microlensing survey to detect free floating planets and get better statistics of planets far from their stars unlike Kepler which couldn't do that.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Let's hope this one isn't plagued by poor management.
I didn't see a sarcasm icon in that post of yours.

It's hard to fathom that nobody has challenged you on this yet, V50. The JWST has been plagued by poor management from day one. The initial 1997 estimate was half a billion dollars for a 2007 launch. The current estimate is 8.8 billion dollars for a 2018 launch. That's over an order of magnitude increase in cost and over a decade slip in launch time.
 
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D H said:
It's hard to fathom that nobody has challenged you on this yet, V50. The JWST has been plagued by poor management from day one. The initial 1997 estimate was half a billion dollars for a 2007 launch. The current estimate is 8.8 billion dollars for a 2018 launch. That's over an order of magnitude increase in cost and over a decade slip in launch time.

yikes !

didn't realize it had go so out of hand :frown:

Dave
 
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JWST is plagued by horrible management. I was expressing the hope that the next one won't be.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
I was expressing the hope that the next one won't be.
There is always hope.(I hope) :smile:
 
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davenn said:
yikes !

didn't realize it had go so out of hand :frown:

Dave
"Epic" mismanagement, but I can't wait to see it in action.
 
  • #25
This seems to be one of the best sites going for general info on the JWST.
http://webbtelescope.org/webb_telescope/
 
  • #26
Mega projects usually suffer unexpected cost over runs and delays. I recall reading the pyramids were originally projected to cost a few hundred slaves, blocks of granite and about a decade to complete. The designers and their families, at least those still living, were ordered ceremonially entombed therein upon completion. Perhaps that would serve as sufficient motivation for JWST project managers.
 
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Chronos said:
Mega projects usually suffer unexpected cost over runs and delays. I recall reading the pyramids were originally projected to cost a few hundred slaves, blocks of granite and about a decade to complete. The designers and their families, at least those still living, were ordered ceremonially entombed therein upon completion. Perhaps that would serve as sufficient motivation for JWST project managers.
I like your way of thinking but you know Bureaucracies hate accountability. :wink:
 
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