The modern view of decoherence: A layperson's qestion

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The discussion revolves around the concept of decoherence in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the nature of superposition in quantum systems and the implications of interactions among quanta. Participants explore the definitions and interpretations of decoherence, its relationship to wave function collapse, and the confusion stemming from various sources, including Wikipedia.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether interactions among quanta can also exist in superpositions and if decoherence relates to a limit on these interactions before a definite state is reached.
  • Another participant asserts that reaching a definite state is not referred to as decoherence, indicating a misunderstanding in the initial question.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the definitions found on Wikipedia, suggesting that the source may have contributed to their misunderstanding.
  • Further citations from Wikipedia are presented, emphasizing that decoherence does not cause wave function collapse but rather explains the appearance of such collapse, while still leaving questions about the transition to definite outcomes unresolved.
  • One participant acknowledges their own realization about the nature of decoherence after revisiting the material, indicating a personal clarification process.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the definitions and implications of decoherence, with some clarifying misconceptions while others express confusion. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the interpretations of decoherence and its relationship to wave function collapse.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of key terms and the assumptions underlying the interpretations of quantum mechanics. The relationship between decoherence and the perception of definite outcomes remains unresolved.

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While I understand that the a single quantum can indeed exist in a superposition, does the interaction of various quanta exist in superpositions as well? If so, is the idea of a limit on the number of these interactions before a definite state is reached what is referred to as decoherence, and if that is correct what is the number of interactions?
 
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First of all, reaching a definite state is NOT called decoherence.
 
Demystifier said:
First of all, reaching a definite state is NOT called decoherence.

I have been confused by wikipedia.
 
Galteeth said:
I have been confused by wikipedia.
A citation from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoherence :
"Decoherence does not generate actual wave function collapse. It only provides an explanation for the appearance of wavefunction collapse. ... Moreover, our observation tells us that this mixture looks like a proper quantum ensemble in a measurement situation, as we observe that measurements lead to the "realization" of precicely one state in the "ensemble". But within the framework of the interpretation of quantum mechanics, decoherence cannot explain this crucial step from an apparent mixture to the existence and/or perception of single outcomes."
 
Demystifier said:
A citation from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoherence :
"Decoherence does not generate actual wave function collapse. It only provides an explanation for the appearance of wavefunction collapse. ... Moreover, our observation tells us that this mixture looks like a proper quantum ensemble in a measurement situation, as we observe that measurements lead to the "realization" of precicely one state in the "ensemble". But within the framework of the interpretation of quantum mechanics, decoherence cannot explain this crucial step from an apparent mixture to the existence and/or perception of single outcomes."

Yes, after going back and reading more carefully, i actually got that on my own.
 

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