The Mystery of the Titanic from Barfleur

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the historical ship known as the "White Ship," which is associated with Barfleur. Participants seek details about the ship's characteristics, depictions in historical sources, and its classification, particularly in relation to shipbuilding practices of the 12th century.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the ancient Titanic that sailed from Barfleur, requesting details without providing further context.
  • Several participants suggest using Google to find information, with mixed results regarding the usefulness of the search outcomes.
  • Another participant mentions that while Google yields many irrelevant results, persistence can lead to useful information, sharing specific links related to the White Ship.
  • There is a discussion about the type of ship depicted in old tapestries, with one participant noting that these depictions are stylized and may not accurately represent the ship's design.
  • A participant references the introduction of the sternpost and rudder in 12th-century shipbuilding, questioning if these features are present in the images of the White Ship.
  • Another participant introduces the term "dragon ship," suggesting it may refer to a Viking ship (drekkar), and seeks clarification on this classification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of agreement on the usefulness of Google as a research tool, but there is no consensus on the specific characteristics or classification of the White Ship. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretations of historical depictions and terminology.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of online searches and the potential for misinterpretation of historical sources. There is also uncertainty regarding the accuracy of the depictions in tapestries and the terminology used to describe the ship.

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Or the ancient titanic, it sailed from Barfleur, anyone know anything about it? i will not give any more details so you do not go wasting your time googling, it is just that i need some details.
 
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jimmysnyder said:
While it is true that google brings back lots of false hits that need to be waded through, persistence often helps.

I googled for barfleur white and found these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Ship (of course wiki would have it)
http://www.everything2.org/index.pl?node_id=1404899
http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=morris&book=english&story=white

Jimmy, i am looking for what type of ship , there are depictions in old tapestries, but they are very stylised, i have serched google, i thought
that maybe someone had a non google source.
 
wolram said:
i thought
that maybe someone had a non google source.
None of the three links I posted were 'google sources'. I just used google to find them. Are you looking for a website that google doesn't know about? Good luck with that.
 
wolram said:
Jimmy, i am looking for what type of ship , there are depictions in old tapestries, but they are very stylised.
I googled for shipbuilding "12th century" and found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipbuilding
Wiki. Figures.

Wiki said:
Sometime around the 12th century, northern European ships began to be built with a straight sternpost, enabling the mounting of a rudder.

Was there a sternpost or rudder on the images you saw?
 
jimmysnyder said:
I googled for shipbuilding "12th century" and found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipbuilding
Wiki. Figures.



Was there a sternpost or rudder on the images you saw?

Jimmy, a sternpost was introduced about the time in question, i will have to have another look at the images, i have seen a reference to the white ship that calls it a (snake ship) whatever that means.
 
In one refference the white ship is called a dragon ship, i have found an obscure note that states a dragon ship is a viking (drekkar), anyone ?
 

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