The Mystery of the Universe's Fate

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The discussion revolves around the fate of the universe, particularly focusing on the concepts of energy conservation, the eventual cooling of the universe, and the processes leading to a state of equilibrium. Participants explore theoretical implications and the nature of energy as stars exhaust their fuel over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question where all the energy goes as the universe approaches a state of deep freeze, raising concerns about conservation of energy.
  • It is proposed that while energy remains constant, energy density tends to zero as the universe expands.
  • One participant explains that as stars run out of fuel, thermal energy will be radiated away, leading the universe to gradually approach absolute zero.
  • Another participant notes that energy conservation does not apply in its normal form due to the expansion of the universe, suggesting the topic is complex.
  • Some participants assert that the universe will not freeze all at once, but rather will experience a gradual decrease in energy supply.
  • There is mention of the cooling process occurring uniformly at large scales, though variations may exist at smaller scales until the final stars exhaust their fuel.
  • Participants discuss the varying lifetimes of stars, indicating that high mass stars have shorter lifespans compared to low mass stars, which can shine for billions of years.
  • One participant expresses a belief that energy differences will decline, leading to a bland equilibrium where no change occurs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding energy conservation and the cooling process of the universe. There is no consensus on the implications of energy conservation in the context of the universe's fate.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference complex theoretical concepts, such as the implications of the second law of thermodynamics and the heat death of the universe, without resolving the underlying assumptions or definitions involved.

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Today i watched Discovery about the fate of the universe.
One of the presenters said that finally all the energies used up and the universe will be in deep freeze.

My question is where all the energies go?
What about conservation of energies?


Thank you.
 
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hi azizlwl! :smile:
azizlwl said:
My question is where all the energies go?
What about conservation of energies?

i think the energy stays the same, but the energy density tends to zero :confused:
 
azizlwl said:
Today i watched Discovery about the fate of the universe.
One of the presenters said that finally all the energies used up and the universe will be in deep freeze.

My question is where all the energies go?
What about conservation of energies?


Thank you.

Over time the stars will run out of fuel and cease to shine and all thermal energy will be radiated away from all objects. Without a source of energy the entire universe will gradually approach absolute zero. The expansion of the universe ensures that any energy radiated away will be redshifted into longer wavelength light, lowering it's energy. Energy conservation does not apply in it's normal form when dealing with the expansion of the universe. The subject is actually kind of complicated and I have no chance of trying to explain the details.
 
Drakkith said:
Over time the stars will run out of fuel and cease to shine and all thermal energy will be radiated away from all objects. Without a source of energy the entire universe will gradually approach absolute zero. The expansion of the universe ensures that any energy radiated away will be redshifted into longer wavelength light, lowering it's energy. Energy conservation does not apply in it's normal form when dealing with the expansion of the universe. The subject is actually kind of complicated and I have no chance of trying to explain the details.

It doesn't mean that universe will freeze , universe will have less energy.Universe will not freeze at once it will start from the end where there is less supply of energy.
 
DhruvKumar said:
It doesn't mean that universe will freeze , universe will have less energy.Universe will not freeze at once it will start from the end where there is less supply of energy.

The cooling process will occur equally everywhere in the universe when you look at the largest scales. At the smaller scales individual sections and objects will vary, but over time these variations will die off as the final stars begin to run out of fuel, white dwarfs cool off, etc.
 
Drakkith said:
The cooling process will occur equally everywhere in the universe when you look at the largest scales. At the smaller scales individual sections and objects will vary, but over time these variations will die off as the final stars begin to run out of fuel, white dwarfs cool off, etc.

All stars will not runoff fuel at once. will it?
 
DhruvKumar said:
All stars will not runoff fuel at once. will it?

Nope. Stars are being created and die off all the time, with the exact lifetime of each star depending mostly on it's initial mass. High mass stars will live for a much shorter time than low mass stars. Low mass red dwarfs will still be hot and shining for many many billions of years.
 
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azizlwl said:
Today i watched Discovery about the fate of the universe.
One of the presenters said that finally all the energies used up and the universe will be in deep freeze.

My question is where all the energies go?
What about conservation of energies?


Thank you.

Energy remains the same. What declines are the temperature differences. Eventually a bland equilibrium will be reached, meaning the end of all change.
 
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Drakkith said:
Nope. Stars are being created and die off all the time, with the exact lifetime of each star depending mostly on it's initial mass. High mass stars will live for a much shorter time than low mass stars. Low mass red dwarfs will still be hot and shining for many many billions of years.

ya thatz what i was thinking of.
 
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Drakkith said:
Nope. Stars are being created and die off all the time, with the exact lifetime of each star depending mostly on it's initial mass. High mass stars will live for a much shorter time than low mass stars. Low mass red dwarfs will still be hot and shining for many many billions of years.

ya thatz what i was thinking of.
Today I am very happy because i have created my own telescope from 100 cm focal length convex lense.
 
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Drakkith said:
Nope. Stars are being created and die off all the time, with the exact lifetime of each star depending mostly on it's initial mass. High mass stars will live for a much shorter time than low mass stars. Low mass red dwarfs will still be hot and shining for many many billions of years.

ya thatz what i was thinking of.

Today I am very happy because i have created my own telescope from 100 cm focal length convex lense.
 

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