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The National Guard and Reserves: Not ready

  1. Mar 2, 2007 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20070302-9999-1m2guard.html

    As we anti-Bushers have said along, as we see with the southern US border, and as we saw with Katrina, which may as well have been a full scale terrorist attack, rather than doing his job and protecting the US, Bush has been off on a wild goose chase. And hitting close to home, if our Governer here in Oregon hadn't stood up to Rummy, they would have taken away our Nat Guard fighter jets. Sometimes it makes one wonder whose side they're on.

    If he really wanted to fight war, then Bush should have called for a draft, but apparently he didn't really want to fight a war.

    Consider also, Walter Reed...
     
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  3. Mar 3, 2007 #2

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    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/jan-june07/military_03-01.html

    I believe it to be imperative that as a highest priorety, we restore the strength and integrity of the guard and reserves.

    Note that equipment taken to Iraq is not typically returned.
     
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  4. Mar 3, 2007 #3

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    That may be very difficult after the way that they have been abused. I don't imagine that recruitment is an easy sell when radicals in the administration seem to want to use only military options instead of diplomatic ones. It's easy enough to replace gear - harder to get hearts and minds. It's funny that the military still wants to get rid of gays, but faced with recruitment shortfalls, they are now recruiting felons.
     
  5. May 9, 2007 #4

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    Gates rejects emergency command proposal
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/national_guard_authority

    Déjà vu - the scratched record of the Bush administration.

    So the Bush motto is - if it's broke, don't fix it?
     
  6. May 9, 2007 #5
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2315076.html?page=1 -an interesting read

    I think a lot of the Katrina (and now Greensburg) hype is due to the media's obsession with frontline journalism. If you compare two identical disasters, the one with more helicopter overflights and impassioned commentary is the worse disaster. It is all too easy to watch aerial footage of the debris (filmed only hours after the event) and ask, "Where is the federal response?"

    It will always be that way as long as journalists can travel more lightly than the rescue crews. I argue that the response is not becoming less effective. Rather, the media (with their satellite communications and helicopters) are becoming more capable of outpacing the recovery efforts, all in the name of chasing that story.
     
  7. May 9, 2007 #6

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    If we only have 40% of the equipment for rescues, we are 60% slower in responding. That is not hype, it is simple math. Of course the Bush admin tries to hide this by referring to the number of troops, but troops without equipment are all but useless.

    There is no excuse for leaving this country vulnerable to fight a hyped war. And beyond a doubt that is where we find the hype.

    I think it was the Governer of Kansas who complained about the loss of equipment to Iraq, this week, which impeded the response to the tornados.

    Rummy tried to take our Nat Guard jets but our wonderful Governer stopped him.
     
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  8. May 9, 2007 #7

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    Important comment from the article:
    People treat hurricanes as anomalies and don't prepare for them. Yet earthquake preparedness is built into the building codes - to absurd levels in areas like the northeastern US. Why?
     
  9. May 9, 2007 #8

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    Rediculous. Greensboro was a town of 1,400 people. The amount of equipment and personnel needed to respond to that disaster is miniscule and there was plenty (enough that the commanding general expressed that they had to be careful that they didn't send too much that it would get in the way). That's just a democratic governor looking for political capital at the expense of her constituents. It is disgusting how politicians have such low morality that they would use the deaths of their own people in a natural disaster for political capital.
    http://stoptheaclu.com/

    Here's the NPR report....which btw doesn't just contradict the governor, but it also contradicts its own title. So much for the myth of NPR's neutrality. :rolleyes: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10073323

    Edit: ehh, she took it all back anyway. I guess she realized it could be seen as an admission that her state was weak - the blame game is dangerous when the primary responsibility is clearly your own:
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-05-08-14-43-48

    National Guard invoked for this disaster:
    That's 300 rescuers/recovery/security personnel for a storm with 100 casualties.

    Actual national guard forces available to Kansas:
    http://www.army.mil/-news/2007/05/08/3018-national-guard-responds-to-kansas-tornado/
     
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  10. May 9, 2007 #9

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    Good article. Yes, despite all the finger-pointing (yes, there were some botched efforts), the actual magnitude of the response was downright staggering.
    And quite frankly, a lot of heads in the media should be rolling over the horrible misreporting of the Katrina disaster. A great deal of what people are upset over quite simply didn't happen:
     
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