The Schmidt decomposition in QC

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The discussion revolves around the Schmidt decomposition in quantum computing, specifically addressing the confusion experienced by a participant while learning from Nielsen's textbook. The focus includes the theoretical understanding of Schmidt decomposition, its application to specific quantum states, and the challenges faced in comprehending the material presented in the book.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the procedure for performing Schmidt decomposition as outlined in Nielsen's book, questioning whether the proof provided is applicable.
  • The same participant proposes that certain quantum states, when expressed in a specific form, might already represent their own Schmidt decompositions, but is unsure if this is correct.
  • Another participant suggests that the difficulty might stem from the textbook itself and recommends an alternative resource, "Quantum Approach to Informatics" by Stenholm and Suominen.
  • Several participants clarify the definition of Schmidt decomposition, emphasizing that it involves expressing a pure state as a sum of products of orthogonal states, with specific conditions on the coefficients.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the uniqueness of eigenvectors in the decomposition, realizing that each eigenvector can only appear once.
  • A later reply corrects a previous statement about normalization conditions in Schmidt decomposition, noting that the correct condition involves the sum of the squares of the coefficients.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with Schmidt decomposition, and there is no consensus on the correct approach to the specific examples provided. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of the decomposition process and the definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the lack of examples in Nielsen's book, which may contribute to the confusion. There is also a correction regarding the normalization condition in Schmidt decomposition, indicating that the discussion includes unresolved mathematical details.

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This discussion may be useful for students and learners of quantum computing who are grappling with the concept of Schmidt decomposition, particularly those using Nielsen's textbook or facing similar challenges in understanding quantum mechanics concepts.

Haorong Wu
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How to do Schmidt decomposition in QC?
Hi, there. I have some problems when learning Schmidt decomposition in Nielsen's QC.

The statement of Schmidt decomposition is simple and clear, however, the book doesn't give a clear procedure to do the Schmidt decomposition. I don't know whether the proof under the theorem is the the one I should use or not. After all, it seems practicable to me.

Well, then I got confused again when solving the exercise that ask me to find the Schmidt decompositions of the states
##\frac {\left| 00 \right>+\left | 11 \right >} {\sqrt 2}## ; ##\frac {\left| 00 \right>+\left | 01 \right >+\left | 10 \right >+\left | 11 \right >} 2##; and ##\frac {\left| 00 \right>+\left |01 \right >+\left | 10 \right >} {\sqrt 3}##, because I think the decompositions are themselves.

For example, the decomposition of ##\frac {\left| 00 \right>+\left |01 \right >+\left | 10 \right >} {\sqrt 3}## should be ##\frac {\left| 00 \right>} {\sqrt 3} + \frac {\left |01 \right >} {\sqrt 3} + \frac {\left | 10 \right >} {\sqrt 3}## which is itself. The expression satisfy all the conditions required in the theorem. But I don't think I'm right.

Could you help me point out what part do I make mistakes?

ps: Nielsen's book makes me feel terrible. I have a great time learning QM with Griffth's book. But I struggle in Nielsen's book. It is more abstract and there are not many examples that I can try. I really feel depressed and wonder that QC may be not suitable for me. But I really love computer and physics since high school.

pss: What do the "Quantum Physics Workshop" section do? Should I really post this thread in that section?
 
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Haorong Wu said:
Could you help me point out what part do I make mistakes?
I'm not very familiar with Schmidt decomposition, but I'll try and have a look.

Haorong Wu said:
ps: Nielsen's book makes me feel terrible. I have a great time learning QM with Griffth's book. But I struggle in Nielsen's book. It is more abstract and there are not many examples that I can try. I really feel depressed and wonder that QC may be not suitable for me. But I really love computer and physics since high school.
Maybe the problem is the book? Try Stenholm and Suominen, Quantum Approach to Informatics
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/book/10.1002/0471739367
Haorong Wu said:
pss: What do the "Quantum Physics Workshop" section do? Should I really post this thread in that section?
You can't post there. See
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/pf-spring-cleaning.970133/
 
Hi, Schmidt decomposition (at least how I learn it, maybe there are different conventions) says the following:
Given a pure state $$\left|\psi\right>$$, there exist orthogonal states $$\left\{\left|\alpha_i\right>\right\}, \left\{\left|\beta_i\right>\right\}$$ such that $$\left|\psi\right>=\sum_{i} \lambda_i \left|\alpha_i\right>\left|\beta_i\right>$$ and where $$\lambda_i\geq0, \qquad \sum_{i}\lambda_i^2=1$$.

I'll explain why this state isn't the Schmidt decomposition (at least in this sense):
In your case you have:
$$\left|\psi\right>=\frac{\left|00\right>+\left|01\right>+\left|10\right>}{\sqrt{3}},
\qquad\text{If we try }\left\{\left|\alpha_i\right>\right\}=\left\{\left|\beta_i\right>\right\}=\left\{\left|0\right>,\left|1\right>\right\}$$
Then the Schmidt decomposition must be of the form $$\left|\psi\right>=\lambda_0\left|00\right>+\lambda_1\left|11\right>$$, since the state has the term $$\left|01\right>$$ is not the Schmidt decomposition.
 
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Gaussian97 said:
Hi, Schmidt decomposition (at least how I learn it, maybe there are different conventions) says the following:
Given a pure state $$\left|\psi\right>$$, there exist orthogonal states $$\left\{\left|\alpha_i\right>\right\}, \left\{\left|\beta_i\right>\right\}$$ such that $$\left|\psi\right>=\sum_{i} \lambda_i \left|\alpha_i\right>\left|\beta_i\right>$$ and where $$\lambda_i\geq0, \qquad \sum_{i}\lambda_i=1$$.

I'll explain why this state isn't the Schmidt decomposition (at least in this sense):
In your case you have:
$$\left|\psi\right>=\frac{\left|00\right>+\left|01\right>+\left|10\right>}{\sqrt{3}},
\qquad\text{If we try }\left\{\left|\alpha_i\right>\right\}=\left\{\left|\beta_i\right>\right\}=\left\{\left|0\right>,\left|1\right>\right\}$$
Then the Schmidt decomposition must be of the form $$\left|\psi\right>=\lambda_0\left|00\right>+\lambda_1\left|11\right>$$, since the state has the term $$\left|01\right>$$ is not the Schmidt decomposition.

Ah, I see. each eigenvector can only appear once. I used them twice. I'll rethink it.

Thank you for your help, Gaussian97.
 
I've just realized that there was a typo, of course, the state must be normalized, so $$\sum_{i}\lambda_i^2=1$$ instead of $$\sum_{i}\lambda_i=1$$
 

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