The Schrödinger equation as the non-relativistic limit of the Dirac equation

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the Schrödinger equation and the Dirac equation, specifically exploring how the former can be derived as a non-relativistic limit of the latter. Participants examine the mathematical transitions between the two equations and the implications for the wavefunction's components.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Griffiths' text, questioning how to derive the Schrödinger equation from the Dirac equation's Lagrangian and noting a potential misinterpretation regarding the wavefunction's nature.
  • Another participant outlines that each spinor component of the Dirac equation satisfies the Klein-Gordon equation, leading to the Schrödinger equation in the non-relativistic limit by making specific substitutions for energy and momentum.
  • A different viewpoint presents an alternative Lagrangian that yields the Schrödinger equation, suggesting it may relate to the previously mentioned Lagrangian through integration by parts.
  • One participant describes two equivalent methods for deriving the Schrödinger equation from the Dirac equation, mentioning the role of Pauli's equation and the neglect of spin.
  • Another contribution discusses the projection of spinor components in the Dirac equation, emphasizing the identification of independent components and their relation to antiparticle states, leading to a non-relativistic approximation.

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Participants present multiple competing views on the derivation process and the nature of the wavefunction, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions made in the derivations and the specific conditions under which the transitions between equations hold true.

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Hello,

I'm reading Griffiths' introduction to elementary particles and he seems to claim that the Schrödinger equation can be seen as a non-relativistic limit of the Dirac equation. I was wondering how one could deduce this, e.g. how do we go from
[itex]\mathcal L = \bar{\psi} \left( i \gamma^\mu \partial_\mu - m \right) \psi[/itex]
to
[itex]\mathcal L = \psi^\dagger \left( i \partial_t + \frac{\nabla^2}{2m} \right) \psi[/itex]
(and somewhere along the way the psi goes from having 4 components to having one (?))

But maybe I misinterpreted Griffiths; he simply states that the psi of the Dirac equation non-relativistically becomes the regular quantum mechanical wavefunction, and I assumed the latter to be the psi of the Schrödinger equation.
 
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Each spinor component satisfies the Klein-Gordan equation

[tex](p^\mu p_\mu - m^2 ) \psi =0,[/tex]

where we can write

[tex]p^\mu p_\mu = E^2 - |\vec{p}|^2.[/tex]

In the nonrelativistic limit,

[tex]E = m + T,~~~T\ll m,[/tex]

so

[tex]E^2 \approx m^2 + 2 m T.[/tex]

The KG equation becomes

[tex]2mT \psi = |\vec{p}|^2 \psi,[/tex]

which, upon identifying

[tex]T = i \partial_t,~~~\vec{p}= -i \nabla[/tex]

is the Schrödinger equation for a free particle. The same argument goes through if we include a background potential.
 
As far as I know, the Lagrangian whose Euler equation gives Schroedinger equation should be:
[tex] \mathcal{L} = \frac{i \, \hbar}{2} \, \left( \psi^{\dagger} \, \dot{\psi} - \dot{\psi}^{\dagger} \, \psi \right) - \frac{\hbar^2}{2 m} \, \nabla \psi^{\dagger} \, \nabla \psi[/tex]
where [itex]\psi[/itex] is a two-row column spinor, and [itex]\psi^{\dagger}[/itex] is the Hermitian adjoint.

Maybe it's the same as the one you had posted by some integration by parts, but I just wanted to point it out.
 
There are 2 equivalent ways, one is spelled out by fzero (going from the Dirac eqn to the KG eqn for the Dirac spinor and ignoring spin and special relativity one gets the SE directly), the other is going to Pauli's equation and then neglect spin.

Gordon Baym's text on QM has a nice description of the Dirac eqn and its approximations.
 
In the rest frame of the particle its 4-momentum is [itex]p^{\mu}=(m c, 0)[/itex], and the Dirac equation in momentum space is:
[tex] \left( \hat{\gamma}^{0} - \hat{1} \right) \, \psi = 0[/tex]
Depending on the choice of the explicit form of the time-like gamma matrix, we have two linearly independent out of the 4 components of the Dirac spinor equal to zero. What are these combinations? Those are the combinations that correspond to the 2 spin projections for the antiparticle state. So, Dirac equation simply projects them out.

Indeed the matrix:
[tex] \hat{P} = \alpha \left( \hat{\gamma}^{0} - \hat{1} \right)[/tex]
take its square and use [itex](\hat{\gamma}^{0})^{2} = \hat{1}[/itex]
[tex] \hat{P}^{2} = 2 \alpha^{2} \, \left( \hat{1} - \hat{\gamma}^{0} \right)[/tex]
and choose [itex]2\alpha = -1[/itex], we get a projection operator that projects the antiparticle states. Its complementary operator:
[tex] \hat{P}' = \hat{1} - \hat{P} = \frac{\hat{1} + \hat{\gamma}^{0}}{2}[/tex]

Act with this operator on the left of the Dirac equation, use the anticommutation relations to move it to the right of the gamma matrices to obtain an equation for [itex]\hat{P}' \phi = \psi[/itex] (although this is a 4 spinor, it has only 2 independent components). Then, assume this function to be multiplied by a variable phase [itex]\psi = e^{i f(x)} \, \psi[/itex]. By choosing it appropriately, you may be able to obtain a non-relativistic approximation.
 
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Thank you all.
 

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