Theoretically, how much energy would it take for a wormhole

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical energy requirements for creating a wormhole that could transport a city to a different spacetime. Participants explore various aspects of wormhole physics, including energy types, potential consequences, and narrative approaches for a fictional story.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that approximately 3000 times the mass of Jupiter in negative energy would be needed to open a wormhole for a few seconds.
  • Another participant proposes avoiding technical terms and instead using fictional concepts like "ultradimensional scissors" to describe the wormhole's creation.
  • Several participants agree that the concept of wormholes, especially in a narrative context, may not require a detailed scientific explanation, as it could detract from the story.
  • One participant emphasizes that serious discussions on wormholes indicate that negative energy is essential for their creation and maintenance, suggesting that humanity may never generate such energy.
  • There is a debate about whether the wormhole's creation is a freak occurrence or a deliberate act, with one participant arguing that if it is a natural event, the energy requirement becomes irrelevant.
  • Concerns are raised about the destructive tidal forces surrounding a wormhole, with one participant asserting that anything near the wormhole would likely be destroyed.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of extreme weather patterns affecting the creation of a wormhole, arguing that natural disasters do not possess the necessary destructive power to rip apart spacetime.
  • One participant clarifies that the turbulence caused by a wormhole opening could have significant effects on the surrounding environment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the energy requirements for creating a wormhole, the necessity of scientific explanations in fiction, and the potential consequences of a wormhole's existence. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexities and speculative nature of wormhole physics, including the undefined parameters of negative energy and the potential impact of extreme environmental conditions.

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I'm writing a story and the general idea is about a city that vanishes from the Earth because a wormhole spawned on Earth in that exact location. It is moved not to another area in space, but to an entirely different spacetime.

The wormhole in question only stayed open for a few seconds before it collapsed. So, in this equation energy to keep it open isn't important.

How much energy would it take to open up a wormhole for only a few seconds? The wormhole opens to about 4.2 sq miles before it pops and collapses.
 
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Hmm, I would guess the equivalent of about 3000 times the mass of Jupiter in negative energy should just about do the trick.
 
I'd avoid real physics terms for something like that. Instead have ultradimensional scissors that cut spacetime and sewed it into somewhere else.
 
I agree with Alqr, wormholes and perhaps in particular very precise wormholes moving towns to other dimensions are so out-there that events such as that it is for the better if it isn't specified how it is happening, just that it is happening and what the consequences are. Any "explanation" will only sound like "reverse the polarity" if the story doesn't take place in an already well-established fictional universe.

The "formal" term for moving things about in spacetime/time/dimensions is an "ISOT", named after the novel "Island in the Sea Of Time" by S.M Stirling where Nantucket as of 1990-something is moved to 1225 B.C.
 
I agree with Mr. Potatohead. Every serious article that I've seen about wormholes states that negative energy is required to create and sustain them, and on a scale that the human race will probably never be able to generate.
 
is the worm hole being created by someone or something? if its a freak occurrence explaining the amount of energy needed becomes a mute point. you could simply describe really extreme weather patterns preceding the event of the wormhole appearing...etc... (speaking of which not sure the town would be in one piece by the time it got scooped up)
 
The town would most definitely be destroyed by the tidal forces surrounding the wormhole. Anything near the wormhole would be either spaghettified or pancaked.
 
dragoneyes001 said:
if its a freak occurrence explaining the amount of energy needed becomes a mute point. you could simply describe really extreme weather patterns
You do realize, I hope, that there is not enough negative energy strolling around in our entire Solar system to create a wormhole. In exactly what way do you think that a storm cloud could have any effect? Several people who have been struck by lightning are still alive, as are people who went through Katrina and similar catastrophes. If something like that can't kill every human that it tries to, why on Earth would you think that it could rip the Universe apart?
 
I meant the turbulence created when a wormhole is opened in our atmosphere if it can scoop up a town think what the air and everything else being suddenly sucked up would do to the surroundings as well as the town
 

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