Is it possible for a wormhole to have zero spacetime curvature?

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The discussion centers around the possibility of a wormhole existing with zero spacetime curvature, exploring theoretical implications, topology, and the nature of gravity in such a scenario. Participants examine the characteristics of spacetime geometries, the distinction between wormholes and other topological structures, and the implications of curvature on the properties of these hypothetical wormholes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a wormhole with zero spacetime curvature could exist and would not collapse due to gravity, proposing a topology akin to a 3-D torus.
  • Another participant argues that a spacetime with zero curvature does not describe a wormhole but rather an entire universe, questioning how wormhole mouths could be distinguished in such a scenario.
  • A different viewpoint posits that if the wormhole topology is maintained, it could still be considered a wormhole if one direction of the torus is not uncurled, leading to unique properties at the mouths.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of having zero curvature, with one participant suggesting that changes in the size of space would necessitate curvature, thus contradicting the zero-curvature premise.
  • Another participant introduces the analogy of a cardboard tube to illustrate the concept of curvature, suggesting that regions of infinite curvature may exist at the attachment points, despite flatness elsewhere.
  • A participant acknowledges the potential need for curvature at the mouths of the wormhole to allow for changes in topology and size, indicating a shift in their understanding based on earlier comments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of a zero-curvature wormhole, with some arguing it cannot exist while others propose conditions under which it might. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of curvature and topology in relation to wormholes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their arguments, including the dependence on definitions of curvature and topology, as well as the implications of embedding structures within flat spacetime. Unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the nature of spacetime are acknowledged.

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I have always read that a wormhole will quickly collapse in on itself due to its own gravity, forming a black hole, unless it is held open by some exotic matter that has a negative energy density.
But couldn't there exist a wormhole with zero spacetime curvature? It would therefore have no gravity and it would not collapse.

Such a wormhole would have the topology of an uncurled 3-D torus. The topology could be described as a 3-D cylinder. Inside this wormhole, moving a short distance to your left or right or up or down would bring you back to where you started. Forward and backward would take you to the mouths of the wormhole. It has zero intrinsic curvature because all of Euclid's laws of flat 3-D geometry would be valid. (The sum of the angles of any triangle would still be 180 degrees)

The 2-D analogy is two flat parallel sheets of cardboard glued to the ends of a cardboard tube standing perpenducular to them. The surface of this tube has no intrinsic curvature; a piece of paper wrapped around it will not crinkle; a triangle drawn on it will have a sum of angles of 180 degrees.

General relativity certainly allows spacetime geometries with zero curvature. And GR does not say anything at all about the topology of spacetime. Could such a 0-curvature wormhole exist? Would it be stable, since it would have no gravity? Would it therefore be transversable?
 
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For starters, a flat space-time is not the same thing as a flat submanifold of codimension 1 embedded in space-time in the extrinsic sense i.e. just because a space-time is flat doesn't mean codimension 1 submanifolds embedded in said space-time must have vanishing extrinsic curvature. Moreover, a flat space-time is necessarily locally isometric to ##\mathbb{R}^{4}## so this certainly imposes constraints on the choices.
 
kochanskij said:
Such a wormhole would have the topology of an uncurled 3-D torus.

If the spacetime curvature is zero, this doesn't describe a wormhole. It describes an entire universe with 3-D torus spatial topology. Here's how you can tell: if the spacetime curvature is zero everywhere, what distinguishes the wormhole "mouths" from any other point?
 
The zero-curvature wormhole would indeed be an entire separate tiny universe with 3-D torus topology if one direction of the torus were not uncurled and attached to two flat 3-D spaces. The wormhole topology is really that of a 3-D cylinder.

All of Euclid's laws of geometry would apply everywhere, so all this space is Euclidean (0-curvature). The distinguishing property of the "mouth" is the size of the dimensions perpendicular to the axis of the wormhole. Inside the wormhole, the circumference of "space" in the left-right direction and in the up-down direction would be very small. You would see what looked like copies of yourself very nearby since you would be looking around the whole circumference of this "space". As you exit the mouth, the size of these two directions would jump to infinity. The apparent copies of yourself would quickly seem to get very far away until they were infinitely far. You would then be out of the wormhole and in another flat infinite 3-D space.
Opinions? Comments?
 
kochanskij said:
The zero-curvature wormhole would indeed be an entire separate tiny universe with 3-D torus topology if one direction of the torus were not uncurled and attached to two flat 3-D spaces.

How can you tell where the "attachment" points are if the curvature is zero everywhere? See further comments below.

kochanskij said:
All of Euclid's laws of geometry would apply everywhere, so all this space is Euclidean (0-curvature).

I'm a bit unclear on what you're suggesting: are you suggesting that the spacetime is completely flat (i.e., Minkowski geometry everywhere)? Or are you just suggesting that it's *spatially* flat (i.e., Euclidean spatial slices, but possibly curvature in the time dimension)?

kochanskij said:
The distinguishing property of the "mouth" is the size of the dimensions perpendicular to the axis of the wormhole. Inside the wormhole, the circumference of "space" in the left-right direction and in the up-down direction would be very small. You would see what looked like copies of yourself very nearby since you would be looking around the whole circumference of this "space". As you exit the mouth, the size of these two directions would jump to infinity.

I don't think this is possible with zero curvature: for the "circumference of space" in any direction to change, there must be curvature.
 
kochanskij said:
The 2-D analogy is two flat parallel sheets of cardboard glued to the ends of a cardboard tube standing perpenducular to them. The surface of this tube has no intrinsic curvature; a piece of paper wrapped around it will not crinkle; a triangle drawn on it will have a sum of angles of 180 degrees.

I think the circular "creases" along which you glue the tube to the flat sheets are regions of infinite curvature. So your space is flat at most points, but at the cost of squeezing all the curvature into the some singularities at either end of the tube.

For example, I can parallel transport a vector around a closed path that crosses the crease twice such that when the vector returns to its origin position, it has rotated. Therefore the space must have some curvature somewhere. Since everywhere else is flat, the curvature is in the creases.
 
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I was suggesting that all spacetime inside, outside, and around the wormhole was flat Minkowski geometry. Neither space nor time would have any curvature. Only the topology and circumference of spacetime would be different inside the wormhole.

I believe that you (PeterDonis) might be right with your comment that in order for the size of space or its topology to change, there must be curvature. This would mean that there would be curvature, and gravity, at the mouths of the wormhole.
Can anyone agree or disagree with this? Can anyone prove or disprove it? I'm going to give this point further study. Thank you for your insightful comment, although you just collapsed my wormhole!
 

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