There exist only quarks and leptons being elementary particles?

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The discussion revolves around the classification of elementary particles in the context of particle physics, specifically questioning whether only quarks and leptons exist as elementary particles or if there are additional types. The scope includes theoretical considerations and the implications of the Standard Model.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that there are 6 quarks, but when considering their color charge, one might count them as 18 quarks.
  • In addition to quarks and leptons, participants mention gauge bosons, including 8 gluons, 2 W-bosons, the Z-boson, and the photon, as well as the Higgs boson, which is predicted but not yet observed.
  • It is noted that leptons consist of the electron, muon, tauon, and their corresponding neutrinos, totaling 6 leptons, with each having an antiparticle, suggesting a multiplication of counts.
  • One participant highlights complications in counting due to the weak theory's single handedness and the distinction between flavor bases in QCD, which adds complexity to the classification of particles.
  • Another participant mentions two methods of counting: helicity states leading to a total of 96 and mass eigenstates resulting in 12.
  • A participant raises the question of the graviton, which is anticipated but unconfirmed, indicating ongoing research in the field.
  • There is a discussion about whether gauge bosons should be considered elementary particles or if they can be referred to as forces instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the classification of elementary particles, with no consensus reached on the exact count or categorization. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of different counting methods and the status of unconfirmed particles like the graviton.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes limitations related to definitions of elementary particles, the complexity of particle interactions, and the unresolved status of certain particles within the Standard Model.

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Please teach me this:
I wonder whether there exist only quarks(6 quarks) and leptons being really elementary particles. Or there are many another types of particles?
Thank you in advance.
 
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ndung200790 said:
Please teach me this:
I wonder whether there exist only quarks(6 quarks) and leptons being really elementary particles. Or there are many another types of particles?
Thank you in advance.

It depends on what and how you count.
The 6 quarks come in 3 colors; so one may be inclined to count in fact 18 quarks.
In addition to these spin 1/2 particles which you have mentioned there are also spin 1 fields, which are denoted as "particles" too - the so-called gauge bosons: 8 gluons, 2 W-bosons, the Z-boson and the photon. Last not least, there is the long awaited Higgs boson, predicted by the standard model but unobserved yet.
 
Hawkwind said:
It depends on what and how you count.
The 6 quarks come in 3 colors; so one may be inclined to count in fact 18 quarks.
In addition to these spin 1/2 particles which you have mentioned there are also spin 1 fields, which are denoted as "particles" too - the so-called gauge bosons: 8 gluons, 2 W-bosons, the Z-boson and the photon. Last not least, there is the long awaited Higgs boson, predicted by the standard model but unobserved yet.

Just to make this list complete, the leptons include the electron, muon, and tauon, along with a corresponding neutrino for each of them, so a total of 6. Then you have to remember that all of these matter particles (quarks and leptons) have a corresponding antiparticle, so you have to multiply all those numbers by 2.

According to the Standard Model of particle physics, these are all the elementary particles. Everything else (including protons and neutrons as well as a whole zoo of other particles that have been detected) can be considered composite collections of these elementary quantum fields.
 
That's still neglecting the fact that in the weak theory there's only a single handedness, but that flavour basis isn't the same as the QCD flavour basis... Which all complicates the counting a little bit...
 
genneth said:
That's still neglecting the fact that in the weak theory there's only a single handedness, but that flavour basis isn't the same as the QCD flavour basis... Which all complicates the counting a little bit...

How does this complicate the counting?
 
I think there are two ways of counting, mainly: helicity states, and then we go up to 96, or mass eigenstates, and then we are down to 12.
 
what about the gravitron which is also unconfirmed but greatly anticipated?

iirc, LIGO is going through their data now.
 
W, Z, foton and gluons are also elementary quanta. But you can stick to old terminology, and call them not particles, but forces.
 

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