Thermodynamics: Understanding the Relationship Between Entropy and Temperature

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between entropy (S) and temperature (T) in thermodynamics, specifically examining the equation S = dq/T and its implications. Participants are exploring the nuances of how entropy behaves in relation to temperature changes.

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  • Some participants question the direct proportionality of S to T, while others clarify the conditions under which this relationship holds. There is also a discussion about the implications of reversible processes and the behavior of heat capacity at low temperatures.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and raising questions about the nature of the relationship between entropy and temperature. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration of heat capacity and its effect on entropy, but no consensus has been reached on the specific ratio of change.

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Participants note that the relationship between S and T can vary depending on the specific conditions of the system, such as whether the process is reversible and the behavior of heat capacity at different temperatures.

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In thermodynamics it is said that S = dq/T. Then how can we say that S is directly proportional to T.
 
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vaishakh said:
In thermodynamics it is said that S = dq/T. Then how can we say that S is directly proportional to T.
That isn't exactly what is said. What is said is that
[tex]dS=\frac{dQ_{rev}}{T}[/tex]
The subscript "rev" means that the quantity dq represents the heat that would be transferred if the process were carried out reversibly.

Also, S is not proportional to T. Suppose you heat a system reversibly at constant pressure. Then we have that
[tex]dQ_{rev}=C_pdT[/tex]
The entropy change can be found by integrating the equation for dS. (You may notice that the as T approaches 0, dS seems to approach infinity. This is not actually the case since in reality the heat capacity is a function of temperature and the Debye extrapolation tells us that at very low temperatures the heat capacity varies like T^3) Suppose the heat capacity is constant over a temperature range of interest. Then
[tex]\Delta S=\int_{T_1}^{T_2}\frac{C_p}{T}dT= C_p \int_{T_1}^{T_2}\frac{1}{T}dT=C_p\ln{\frac{T_2}{_T_1}[/tex]
So in this case - as in most cases - S is not proportional to T, but does increase with incresing T.
 
by what ratio does S increase with increase in T-Sorry I am confused.
 
vaishakh said:
by what ratio does S increase with increase in T-Sorry I am confused.
There is no definite ratio-it depends on the situation.
 

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