This should probaly belong in Biology, but

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The discussion revolves around the achievements of Homo sapiens and the historical context of human navigation and intelligence. Participants explore the evolutionary timeline of humans, the significance of past accomplishments, and perceptions of intelligence over time.

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  • One participant claims to have traveled over 24,000 miles in a year and references other mammals that have traveled more than 200,000 miles, questioning the recognition of human achievements.
  • The same participant discusses the evolutionary lineage of Homo sapiens and suggests that early humans could have developed global navigation using basic tools and observations.
  • Another participant expresses a lack of pride in historical human achievements, particularly in recent history, and raises concerns about the average IQ trends over time.
  • A third participant corrects a previous statement regarding the timeline of Homo sapiens, suggesting a distinction between the species' description in 1758 and its emergence around 200,000 years ago.
  • One participant reiterates the concern about declining average IQ, implying that the standard of intelligence has changed over time.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of historical human achievements and the implications of intelligence trends, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

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Participants reference various timelines and definitions related to human evolution, but these points are not universally accepted or clarified, leaving some assumptions and definitions unresolved.

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During one year, I, a mammal, traveled more than 24,000 miles but I am by far no means the king of mammals, for I have reports of mammals who've traveled more than 200,000 miles.

And that's not counting our astronauts.

Why are you failing to recognize our achievements as homo sapiens, which, beginning with us and working backwards in time involves Genus Homo, Tribe Homini, Subfamily Homininae, Family Hominidae, Order Primates, Class Mammalia, Phylum Chordata, and Kingdom Animalia?

Homo sapiens sapiens begat somewhere in 1758, according to wiki records, though I've seen clear evidence we were alive and well, well beyond any such revolutionary dates imagined well back into the 8th century B.C. (or BCE as the nugs call it: "The numbering of years using Common Era notation is identical to the numbering used with Anno Domini (BC/AD) notation" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.C.E." ).

Oh, crikey (not my monker) over the years I've been able to devise how early man might have been able to devise global navigation with nothing more than rock and stone and long-term observation. And that in just three years, knowing what they had to work with and knowing what I might have to have been known.

I've little doubt that 100,000 years ago, any hominid looking at the stars would be able to deduce anything less than this.
 
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Less than the circumference of the globe. :P

I'm personally not very proud of the past beyond a few thousand years, and even much of the more recent stuff (and stuff in the last 100 years) gives me cause for concern and embarrassment.

Also, please note that the average IQ was lower in the past, and is becoming increasingly lower today.
 
G037H3 said:
Also, please note that the average IQ was lower in the past, and is becoming increasingly lower today.

100 just ain't what it used to be