Three-body Problem: Lagrange Config, Equal Masses

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The discussion revolves around the three-body problem, specifically focusing on simulating a 2D periodic circular problem using the Lagrange configuration with three equal masses. Participants are seeking initial conditions for their simulations as part of a homework assignment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks initial conditions for simulating a three-body problem with equal masses in a Lagrange configuration.
  • Another participant suggests that the configuration will form an equilateral triangle rotating about the center of mass, but questions the stability of this case.
  • Some participants assert that the equal mass case is unstable, referencing specific initial conditions for periodic orbits in an equilateral triangle configuration.
  • There is mention of a range of velocities that can lead to varying eccentricities in the orbits, with specific formulas provided for calculating these velocities.
  • A participant expresses frustration at not being able to find specific initial conditions for the Lagrange orbit, despite having found them for the figure-8 orbit.
  • One participant clarifies that while they can assist with homework, they will not provide direct answers, suggesting that the information shared is sufficient for the participant to find a solution.
  • Another participant notes that their homework involves searching for specific initial conditions rather than calculating them, emphasizing the need for exact numbers for the Lagrange orbit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the instability of the equal mass configuration but have differing views on the availability of specific initial conditions for the Lagrange orbit. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact initial conditions needed.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific initial conditions for the figure-8 orbit but express uncertainty about those for the Lagrange orbit. There is also mention of varying velocities affecting the stability and eccentricity of the orbits, but no consensus on the exact parameters is reached.

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I hope I'm on the right thread!
So i have the following problem...I have a homework on the three body problem. I want to simulate a 2D periodic circular problem using the Lagrange configuration. The masses of the three bodies are all equal to 1.
Can anyone tell me what initial conditions to use?
 
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You'll basically have an equilateral triangle rotating about the center of mass. Calcluating the angular frequency, w, at which the rotation occurs is a bit tricky, though.

Do you expect this case with three equal masses to be stable?
 
I know that with equal masses it will be unstable...I know that in the bibliography there are some specific initial condititions for which a periodic orbit on a equilateral triangle will occur. I found the initial conditions (x1,y1,x2,y2,x3,y3,vx1,vy1,vx2,vy2,vx3,vy3) for the figure-8 orbit but i cannot found anywhere about the lagrange.
 
http://orbitsimulator.com/BA/3-body.GIF
It is stable for a few orbits, then it falls apart.

Like Pervect said, its an equalateral triangle, so x,y,&z should be easy to find.

There's a wide range of velocities that will give you varying eccentricities.
sqrt(2GM/r) is what I used in the above picture. sqrt(3GM/r) gives you more circular orbits.
 
Or I'm too stupid or too tired :redface: ...Anyway I'm stuck. Can anyone give me a set of initial conditions because i have to hand in a homework tomorrow? Thanks for all the answers!
 
Sorry Stam,

We _help_ with homework, but we won't _do_ your homework here.

Assuming you're qualified to be in the class you're in, what tony and pervect provided is more than enough to get a solution.
 
Yes it's true. But my homework was to search the internet and find specific intial conditions and not to calculate them. My professor has given me a mathematica program to calculate three body orbits and all i have to do is search the internet, find exact numbers for the lagrange and figure-8 orbit, plot the orbit in mathematica and create a .gif with that orbit. I've found initial conditions for figure-8 but nothing for the lagrange orbit. Sorry for not mentioning that earlier!
 

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